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Postby Nortonesque » Fri Aug 19, 2005 11:22 pm

I tried out Party's $3/6 BBJ tables tonight, and man is there some bad play there. Very loose passive -- much different than the regular $3/6 tables. I played about 300 hands, up $60.

As I progress up in stakes I'm thinking of the following route:

$3/6 BBJ
$3/6
$3/6 SH
$5/10 SH
$10/20

I've heard that the regular $5/10 is the worst limit at Party as far as profitability, so I'm just going to sidestep it by going short handed (which I should learn anyway).

Here's how bad they are at the BBJ tables:

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with [Jh], [Kh].
Hero calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, 2 folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) [8c], [8s], [Tc] (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero folds, MP2 raises, MP3 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) [6d] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP2 bets, SB calls, BB calls.

River: (8.50 BB) [As] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP2 bets, SB raises, BB folds, MP2 3-bets, SB calls.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB

Results
MP2 has [9c] [Ac] (two pair, aces and eights).
SB has [5d] [8d] (three of a kind, eights).
Outcome: SB wins 14.50 BB.
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Postby piersmajestyk » Sat Aug 20, 2005 6:20 am

bad beat jackpot tables.

The 5-10 games during the morning are not that great but by early afternoon they are generally very good.
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Postby Nortonesque » Sat Aug 20, 2005 2:28 pm

I read it on twoplustwo (), where the consensus was that it's a crappy game as far as donators, but still very beatable because you can beat up the weak tight players.
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Postby piersmajestyk » Sat Aug 20, 2005 3:53 pm

I'll give it a read but I have seen very few times when there are not several very loose donators on quite a few of the 510 tables. If you haven't checked out that post on Card Rackin and Chip Stackin, that was on 4 different tables and I think you can see some very questionable play at work there :lol: As far as my own results go I have a bigger BB/100 at 5-10 limit then at any of the others after 15K hands or so with 3-6 limit being the worse and 1-2 following that. 2-4 always seems good regardless. Perhaps part of that is that I do play a little more loosely and aggressively at 5-10 and above.

I was reading a thread at 2+2 as well that made a comment that people with a VIP 13% PFR 5% were just easy marks to take money from and I had to just laugh a little bit. People with those numbers are not going to be easy to take money from as they are virtually always coming in with superior starting hands and are not going to be involved in alot of hands to begin with (perhaps that is more along the lines of TA than a weak tight player). I will agree that the super rocks are pretty easy to take down as you know exactly where they are because they only raise with 2 or 3 hands but I personally welcome the 2+2 crew to come and rape me of my money with my VIP 12% and PFR 6%, good luck 8-)
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Postby Nortonesque » Thu Sep 01, 2005 3:51 am

Oh man did I play in a juicy home game tonight. It was $100 buy-in NL, with $1/1/2 blinds, and I ended up $484 after about 4 hours. There was one huge donator that I'd played with before, so I knew it was going to be good going in. He just absolutely hates to fold, doesn't bet aggressively, and has pretty much no regard for money. But he has a lot of fun.

A few key hands:

Hilarious hand early, where the flop is [5d][7c][8d], and EP bets $20, MP calls, Donator calls, LP goes all in for $91, all fold to Donator who agonizes for awhile and finally calls with [Js][6c]. The pusher has [Kd][Jd], and a blank hits the turn and non-diamond 4 hits the river.

Later on I am the second biggest stack at $160, and am dealt [6c][4c] in UTG+1 (seven handed). I've been getting some flak for never playing, so I raise to $8 after UTG folds. Donator says "make it $10," which is eventually ruled as a call (and he does it again on the very next hand, lol). Any reraise or large raise always means a pocket pair of some sort for him. One more loose caller in the first small blind, and the other blinds fold.

Flop comes down [Ac][Ts][7c]. SB1, who is getting short, bets out $10, I call, Donator makes it another $25. SB1 calls all in and I call.

Turn is the [5s]. I check and the Donator bets out $15, which of course I call. (I'm fairly certain he doesn't have trips at this point).

River is the lovely [8d]. I value bet $50 and the Donator calls. Probably should have bet more. He had kings, SB1 shows A7o.

Towards the end of the night I've built my stack up to around $270. I peek early in SB2 and see black aces. I'm starting to wonder how I'm going to get any value out of them, since I haven't had a playable hand in awhile, when the Donator says "hey, what the hell," and raises it up to $20. Sweet! He's got a pocket pair and will probably not let it go.

One person calls and I raise it up to $100. Donator says "hey, you know the money doesn't bother me," and calls. First caller folds.

The flop comes [9h][9d][5h]. Donator checks his cards, and clearly hasn't hit. He checks to me and I bet $100, which he calls.

Turn comes [3h], and I put in my last $70, which is called.

River is the [Qh], but the Donator has black sixes, so no suckout thankfully.

All in all, a pretty nice night of poker. Haven't been playing much lately, as I'm getting my house ready for the market.
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Postby Nortonesque » Sat Sep 10, 2005 1:05 am

Put in 550 hands at $3/6 working off the bonus. I played 3 regular tables, with one BBJ table thrown in for good measure (which naturally turned out to be the best table VP$IP-wise). I ended up $87 on the night, 1/3 of the way done.

This hand was nice:

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with [9s], [8s].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, CO calls, 2 folds, BB checks.

Flop: (5.33 SB) [Ts], [6s], [2c] (5 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets, MP1 calls, Hero raises, CO folds, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (5.66 BB) [7s] (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds.

River: (7.66 BB) [Ah] (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls.

Final Pot: 9.66 BB

Results
UTG+1 has [7h] [6c] (two pair, sevens and sixes).
Hero has [9s] [8s] (straight flush, ten high).
Outcome: Hero wins 9.66 BB.
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Postby Kuso » Sat Sep 10, 2005 2:07 am

just curious... how did the "donator" get enough money to call your $270 all-in if the buy-in was at $100? was he just on an upswing?

how do you think he ended up for the night?

anyway, congrats on the 5-bagger night.
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Postby Nortonesque » Sat Sep 10, 2005 11:04 am

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Postby Poquette » Sat Sep 10, 2005 12:45 pm

Poquette

I was misinformed. There is, after all, crying in poker. :cry:
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Postby Nortonesque » Sat Sep 10, 2005 7:54 pm

Thanks Poquette :)

Put in about 460 hands at the $3/6 today, was up $78.50. Ran pretty well at the beginning, and then bled away when I got a bunch of draws and none of them hit. 2.85BB/100 is just fine by me though.

It was definitely a bit more aggressive today than last night, but I'm learning to deal with it. I've started 3-betting a bit more liberally against certain players, and raising it up more to isolate limpers. My PFR is in the 9-10 range, whereas before it was just under 8. I think this should be good for my eventual move to shorthanded when my BR hits $2500 or so.

I'm a little over 1/2 the way through the bonus. Might put in another session tonight.
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Postby Nortonesque » Sun Sep 11, 2005 6:12 pm

Today started out extremely crappy, as I won only a couple tiny pots and lost a bunch of big ones where my pairs went down in flames and my draws failed to materialize. I was down $250 after about 300 hands.

But then I went on a huge rush, and 200 hands later I was up $100. I peaked at about $140, and ended the day at +$45, so it was quite a rollercoaster.

Anyhow, I cleared the bonus, earning $210 on my play at a 2BB/100 pace, so the BR is getting pretty close to where I need it to be for $3/6 shorthanded.
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Postby piersmajestyk » Sun Sep 11, 2005 7:39 pm

Nice work. As long as I have played and as tightly as I generally play I am still somewhat amazed at how much of a roller coaster ride a single session can be at times. I have been down as far as 150 BB and back ahead 50 BB before a session ended and it wasn't a marathon. Multitabling I guess that is just the way it is if you hit a bad patch on 4 or 5 tables at a time but you can sure in the hell make up ground just as quickly on the good runs. I have played several times at those 36 max games and they are really juicy. I think you are going to like them alot. Keep on rolling.
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Postby Nortonesque » Tue Sep 13, 2005 1:43 am

Screwed around on one of TW's tables, and monkeyed around a bit and was down $80 or so. Then the table broke up, and some gamb00ler came along to play me heads up. Claimed he was playing 30/60 and took some bad beats so he had to move down.

So basically he put me back in the black, along with a couple others that showed up and donated. He was ridiculously aggressive, so at first it was a matter of value betting, but then he caught on to the fact that I was tighter than most, and I had to start pulling some bluffs. Lots of fun :)

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (2 handed)

Preflop: Hero is BB with [9d], [Ks]. Button posts a blind of $3.
Hero raises, Button (poster) calls.

Flop: (4 SB) [6h], [7d], [2c] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (4 BB) [Js] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, Hero calls.

River: (10 BB) [8h] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button folds.

Final Pot: 11 BB

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (3 handed)

Preflop: Hero is SB with [Ad], [2d].
Button raises, Hero calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) [Kd], [Ts], [4s] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, Button checks.

Turn: (3 BB) [Td] (3 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, Button raises, Hero calls.

River: (7 BB) [7h] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero raises, Button folds.

Final Pot: 10 BB
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Postby Nortonesque » Tue Sep 13, 2005 3:29 am

Hah, HU on broken up full handed tables is free money. Witness this brilliance:

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (2 handed)

Preflop: Hero is Button with [Qh], [6d]. Hero posts a blind of $3.
BB calls, Hero (poster) checks.

Flop: (2 SB) [4h], [4s], [3s] (2 players)
BB folds.

Final Pot: 1 BB

No the converter is not wrong on that one. He open folded. *Probably* not the best heads up strategy.
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