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Postby odogg » Thu Sep 15, 2005 6:57 pm

Sorry I can't get the converter to work. Can you put these guys on a hand? Do you think I wimped out on the turn and river?

I am callplease.

***** Hand History for Game 2709766729 *****
$10/$20 Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, September 14, 12:19:27 EDT 2005
Table Gobannannas (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Capt_Clark ( $606.78 )
Seat 2: ieseaexcept ( $273.41 )
Seat 3: Achilles_0 ( $651 )
Seat 5: bakerboy018 ( $490.50 )
Seat 6: andreg63 ( $521.64 )
Seat 9: IMMOBILARE ( $1235 )
Seat 10: dingaling33 ( $775.78 )
Seat 4: callplease ( $475 )
Seat 7: FHal1103 ( $500 )
Seat 8: softballman1 ( $500 )
dingaling33 posts small blind [$5].
Capt_Clark posts big blind [$10].
FHal1103 posts big blind [$10].
softballman1 posts big blind [$10].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to callplease [ Qd Qs ]
ieseaexcept folds.
callplease raises [$20].
bakerboy018 folds.
andreg63 calls [$20].
FHal1103 calls [$10].
softballman1 calls [$10].
IMMOBILARE raises [$30].
dingaling33 folds.
Capt_Clark folds.
callplease raises [$20].
andreg63 calls [$20].
FHal1103 calls [$20].
softballman1 calls [$20].
IMMOBILARE calls [$10].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qh, Ks, Ts ]
callplease checks.
andreg63 checks.
FHal1103 bets [$10].
softballman1 folds.
IMMOBILARE raises [$20].
callplease raises [$30].
andreg63 calls [$30].
FHal1103 calls [$20].
IMMOBILARE calls [$10].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6c ]
callplease checks.
andreg63 bets [$20].
FHal1103 calls [$20].
IMMOBILARE calls [$20].
callplease calls [$20].
** Dealing River ** [ 9c ]
callplease checks.
andreg63 bets [$20].
>You have options at Table 11813 Table!.
FHal1103 calls [$20].
IMMOBILARE folds.
callplease calls [$20].
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Postby EscapePlan9 » Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:07 pm

FLOP: What are you doing? You capped pre-flop and then the board comes all broadway and you think check-raising is a good plan? Everyone in the hand knows with the pre-flop action that board CERTAINLY helped someone! Just lead out on that flop! It doesn't matter if people raise, call or fold here, you're so far ahead! Anyone with an OESD, flush draw, TPTK, etc, are definitely not folding here. Cap that flop.

TURN: I am COMPLETELY baffled by your turn play. You check 3-bet the flop... and now you check-call the turn? Everyone knows when you check 3-bet the flop you had a strong hand. And now you check? Stop playing with monsters under your bed here! That 6 did not help anyone! Just bet out!

RIVER: Played fine. Someone staying in with a J likely outdrew you, but there was no way you were getting him to fold on that flop. And with the pot that huge, you cannot fold the big set to one measly bet on the river.
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Postby odogg » Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:18 pm

When I capped preflop I was almost certain I would narrow the field. When that didn't happen I had no idea what to put these guys on.

On the flop I think I have the best hand so I am trying to get max value. When I didn't lose anyone to the limp 3 bet I couldn't escape KK or AJ from my head. Possibly from playing to much Omaha. Assume the worst I guess. This type of hand has been so rare that people just would not let go.
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Postby EscapePlan9 » Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:19 pm

By check 3-betting you're killing the action and not getting maximum value on your hand. Then the turn was just horrid - lost so much value there.
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Postby Molina » Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:32 pm

Whilst I'd bet out on the flop, the fact that andre called 3 bets cold on the flop and then leads out on the turn, when the flush doesn't come indicates a strong hand. As he didn't reraise PF I'd discount KK, and yet he still bets the turn. He then bets the river when checked to.

I don't think he needed the 9 I think he flopped the straight (this assumes he is a decent player)

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Postby odogg » Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:50 pm

The smooth call of 3 bets completely turned me off of this hand.

I agree it is weak play on the turn but I could not get past the cold call of 3 bets on the flop. No way I can fold but I wasn't going to push the third nuts with 4 people in the hand.
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Postby Molina » Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:53 pm

So what did he have?

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Postby odogg » Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:00 pm

andreg63 shows [ 6h, Kh ] two pairs, kings and sixes.
FHal1103 shows [ Kd, Ah ] a pair of kings.
callplease shows [ Qd, Qs ] three of a kind, queens.
callplease wins $472 from the main pot with three of a kind, queens.
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Postby TightWad » Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:02 pm

WOW! What I wouldn't give for a 10-20 bankroll right now. :D :D :D Then again, I'd probably be the K6 guy.
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Postby EscapePlan9 » Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:04 pm

When someone calls 3-bets cold, I just figure them for a crap player. They could have a gutshot, OESD, middle pair, top-pair, flush draw...

I thought Immobolaire would be the one with AK. Very odd that FHal just called the PF raise with AK. You certainly found a profitable table!
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Postby Tiburon » Fri Sep 16, 2005 7:52 am

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