Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed)

Preflop: Hero is BB with , .
UTG raises, 6 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) , , (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls.

River: (10.25 BB) (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14.25 BB

If UTG pfr has a big pair, I have to catch an unlikely 2 pair to win, and even if I do he has a ton of redraws. If he has high cards and I catch a pair, he also has a lot of redraws. I'm not sure.

UTG had KK here.

I usually don't consider defending my blinds unless the open-raiser is AT LEAST near the CO. EP raises almost never mean "I want to steal the blinds".

I dunno dude- im pretty liberal as far as my blind defenses, but i wont defend with a hand like that when someone raises from EP or even MP probably. You are getting odds, sure, but i think there are certain reverse implied odds your looking at here in the event that the raisor has a hand- you flop a 4 on a pretty dead board and oyu CR the flop and lead the turn, you stand to lose a lot of bets there if your no good. Its a great play if either (a) your hand is good, or (b) the raisor cant call (Lets say you do it with a flush/straight draw)- but generally, i dont monkey around with hands that are that pisspoor against EP raises, because its too easy to catch a peice and still lose, and when that happens it costs alot. LP raises and Button raises are an entirely different matter of course!

I agree that it can certainly be a dangerous prospect calling with something like this that has no strong straight or flush potential and even I have been known to fold this type of hand against select folks. I also don't think the majority of folks should screw around with such an awful piece of trash and perhaps I shouldn't as well but I can generally get away from it for less than a fortune even if I do hit a piece of the flop and get played back at.

It's one thing to call an EP raise, it's another to call an EP9 raise.