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Postby MTPaid » Thu Nov 17, 2005 8:33 pm

When someone check-re-raises he can probably beat A high.

Probably the biggest leak in my Limit game is taking AK too high when I know my opponent is loose aggressive. I'm so convinced I have him beat pre-flop that I will often call with A high to the river not believing that he could possibly beat me with T9 offsuite when he flops a pair of 9's or something similar. I can make this laydown much easier to better players. This doesn't happen to me in NL or MTT's because it's much easier to get away from when it means your entire stack as opposed to a bet or two, but I'm pretty sure these laydowns turned my night from breakeven into slightly profitable.

Texas Hold'em $1-$2 (real money), hand #1,485,370,894
Table Trenton, 17 Nov 2005 8:44 PM ET

Seat 1: PayMeDaMoney [As][Kh]
Seat 2: BobTomato
Seat 3: tonyla1
Seat 4: orangecat
Seat 5: artshell
Seat 6: Cirrus1
Seat 7: umakunai
Seat 8: Past2AM
Seat 9: onaclov
Seat 10: BCautious
ANTES/BLINDS
BobTomato posts blind ($0.50), tonyla1 posts blind ($1).

PRE-FLOP
orangecat calls $1, artshell folds, Cirrus1 calls $1, umakunai folds, Past2AM folds, onaclov folds, BCautious calls $1, PayMeDaMoney bets $2, BobTomato folds, tonyla1 calls $1, orangecat calls $1, Cirrus1 calls $1, BCautious calls $1.

$10.50 in pot
FLOP [7h][4d][7c]
tonyla1 checks, orangecat checks, Cirrus1 checks, BCautious bets $1, PayMeDaMoney bets $2, tonyla1 folds, orangecat folds, Cirrus1 bets $3, BCautious folds, PayMeDaMoney folds.

SHOWDOWN
Cirrus1 wins $15.50.

A frequent bluffer, but did I really think he would 3 bet with A high. Usually I would call after I already raised the flop, but even if I hit an A or K on the turn it could be my worst nightmare. Does anybody think he doesn't have a full house or even quads there?

Texas Hold'em $1-$2 (real money), hand #1,485,303,956
Table Adelaide, 17 Nov 2005 8:25 PM ET

Seat 1: DonkeyHoty
Seat 2: x Jamie
Seat 3: mendelevium
Seat 4: PayMeDaMoney [AS][KC]
Seat 5: MeFish
Seat 6: Bamber17
Seat 7: mnkh
Seat 8: lunaphila
Seat 10: TGIDoug
ANTES/BLINDS
x Jamie posts blind ($0.50), mendelevium posts blind ($1), lunaphila posts blind ($1).

PRE-FLOP
PayMeDaMoney bets $2, MeFish folds, Bamber17 folds, mnkh folds, lunaphila folds, TGIDoug folds, DonkeyHoty folds, x Jamie folds, mendelevium calls $1.

$5.50 in pot
FLOP [4d][Th][9c]
mendelevium checks, PayMeDaMoney bets $1, mendelevium calls $1.

$7.50 in pot
TURN [7h]
mendelevium bets $2, PayMeDaMoney folds.

SHOWDOWN
mendelevium wins $9.10.

With the straight and and the flush draw on board, even though I knew my opponent was very loose and frequently bluffed, I couldn't be sure even if I hit an A or K on the river that it was good.
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Postby The Golden 1 » Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:05 pm

Yeah hand 1 he probably has like 78 suited or something probably worse with a 7 in it, there's no way he plays quads or a full like that I dunno what you're thinking.

Hand 2 if you think he's a chronic bluffer you can try raising the turn and get a free showdown or possible fold, if he 3 bets you fold, either way it costs 1-2 bb. I'd probably just fold in that spot too.

AK makes its most money from big family pots and hitting an A or K,almost never from calling down unimproved (especially at full ring)
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Postby MTPaid » Fri Nov 18, 2005 6:56 pm

You might be right, but he wasn't a very good player and it was a $1/$2 game. Anyway the point was that I was able to get away from it without getting into a pissing match.

Looked over my AK offsuit stats today. I've lost money the last 11 times I've seen a flop with the hand. And out of 26x dealt on one particular site in 2,226 hands I have only a 38.46 winning % for -$63.15 or -1.09 BB/Hand. Out of those 26x, 10x was in the blinds. So I guess position counts for something.
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