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Postby redhouse » Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:57 pm

I thought I played this pretty well... checking the turn to extract another bet from my really obvious straight (opponent was conservative and pretty straightforward), but my friend who was watching gave me a solid talking to about getting money in with cards still to come - his point was that the guy would be more likely to call if he thought he had some hope... and also that i'd feel really stupid if I got counterfieted or drawn out on by a flush

Got two bets as it turned out. But what do you think

***** Hand History for Game 3169132160 *****
$5/$10 Texas Hold'em - Friday, December 09, 00:41:31 EDT 2005
Table Table 66053 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 3: CHITOWN43RD ( $482.75 )
Seat 5: Callajay ( $421.75 )
Seat 2: redbullguy ( $354 ) <-- thas me
Seat 1: gsl1030 ( $222.50 )
Seat 6: nbk6f9e ( $358.92 )
Seat 4: jerrydel1 ( $314 )
gsl1030 posts small blind [$2].
redbullguy posts big blind [$5].

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to redbullguy [ 2c Qd ]
CHITOWN43RD folds.
jerrydel1 calls [$5].
Callajay folds.
nbk6f9e folds.
gsl1030 calls [$3].
redbullguy checks.

** Dealing Flop ** [ 9d, Jc, Tc ]
gsl1030 bets [$5].
redbullguy raises [$10].
jerrydel1 folds.
gsl1030 calls [$5].

** Dealing Turn ** [ Ks ]
gsl1030 checks.
redbullguy checks.

** Dealing River ** [ 4h ]
gsl1030 bets [$10].
redbullguy raises [$20].
gsl1030 calls [$10].

redbullguy shows [ 2c, Qd ] a straight, nine to king.
gsl1030 doesn't show [ Jd, Kd ] two pairs, kings and jacks.
redbullguy wins $72 from the main pot with a straight, nine to king.
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Postby Xaston » Fri Dec 09, 2005 12:22 am

I very frequently make very similar checks.
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Postby Danhdan » Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:04 am

"Million dollar play, ten cent finish."

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Postby redhouse » Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:03 pm

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Postby Danhdan » Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:24 pm

"Million dollar play, ten cent finish."

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Postby stickdude » Fri Dec 09, 2005 6:00 pm

I think this one really boils down to a read of your opponent. Is he someone that will -

a) lay down a probable TPTK to a flop raise followed by a turn bet (especially when a scare card like the King hits)?

b) bet out on a non-scare river if you check the turn?

If you think the answer to both is yes, then checking the turn and raising the river is the best way to get the most bets from him.

At the levels I play - $.50/$1, there are so few players for which (a) is true that betting the turn is by far the +EV play - if they caught any part of the board, they'll call down, and if they didn't, you're most likely not going to get anything else out of them whether you bet the turn or river.
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