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Postby Xaston » Mon Dec 12, 2005 2:40 pm

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed)

Preflop: Hero is Button with [Jh], [Kh].
3 folds, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) [4h], [4c], [8s] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB folds.

Turn: (4 BB) [Ks] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls with the intention of raising any non spade non ace river.


Thoughts?
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Postby MecosKing » Mon Dec 12, 2005 2:49 pm

I like call/raising just as much as raise/calling, probably. If he pickedup a spade draw on the turn and is betting it, then if you flat call him and he misses, you may induce a bluff and get the same amount out of him that you would have gotten had you raised the turn and bet a nonspade river (since hed have folded presumably). On the other hand, he might give up on the river if he misses then you have missed a bet (if he has a spade draw). If he has a worse king, then your plan nets just as much as a turn raise, since he probably wont muck a king no matter what.

So, all in all i think your line is kindof sideways EV. If hes got a hand that hes either not goign to bet with and/or call on the river, then youve lost a bet, but if he's managed to beat you or manages to beat you on the river you save a bet and if hes got a calling hand, then you make the same amount. Of course if he got trips then its going to endup costing you the same amount also, im guessing...so all in all, its pretty close.
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Postby Xaston » Mon Dec 12, 2005 2:52 pm

If I didn't think it was pretty close I wouldn't have posted it. Thanks for explaining to me why I posted the hand though, I really appreciate it.

Now, does anyone have an opinion on which option they think is best?
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Postby MecosKing » Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:00 pm

NorthViewBTP: poor old ED
NorthViewBTP: from gun totin beer swiller
NorthViewBTP: to limp wristed defender of fagdom
NorthViewBTP: ALL THINGS TO ALL MEN
NorthViewBTP: IS THE SAME AS NO THINGS TO ANY MAN
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Mekos King: NV ignoring
Jimmy BTP: he's ignoring me too
Jimmy BTP: obv fell asleep in his colostomy bag
Jimmy BTP: running shite everywhere
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neelguru: Im dedicating the rest of my life to getting unstuck
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Postby The Golden 1 » Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:01 pm

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Postby Xaston » Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:16 pm

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Postby MecosKing » Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:56 pm

NorthViewBTP: poor old ED
NorthViewBTP: from gun totin beer swiller
NorthViewBTP: to limp wristed defender of fagdom
NorthViewBTP: ALL THINGS TO ALL MEN
NorthViewBTP: IS THE SAME AS NO THINGS TO ANY MAN
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Mekos King: NV ignoring
Jimmy BTP: he's ignoring me too
Jimmy BTP: obv fell asleep in his colostomy bag
Jimmy BTP: running shite everywhere
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Postby MVPSPORTS » Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:01 pm

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Postby redhouse » Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:20 pm

you guys know nothing.

fold preflop
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Postby Tiburon » Tue Dec 13, 2005 7:59 am

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Postby stickdude » Tue Dec 13, 2005 1:30 pm

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