------HAND 4------
Game #1143819164: Hold'em FL ($10/$20) - 2005/12/21 - 17:29:21 (ET)
Table "(Lightning) L1040" Seat 4 is the button.
Seat 1: Lottie ($1110.32 in chips)
Seat 2: profanity ($353.75 in chips)
Seat 3: Heracles ($189.25 in chips)
Seat 4: Wh.Widdow ($883.50 in chips)
Seat 5: 1966henry ($894.75 in chips)
Seat 6: Xaston ($494.75 in chips)
1966henry: posts small blind $5
Xaston: posts big blind $10
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Xaston [Tc Kc]
Lottie: folds
profanity: folds
Heracles: folds
Wh.Widdow: folds
1966henry: calls $5
Xaston: raises $10
1966henry: calls $10
----- FLOP ----- [Kd 6c 5s]
1966henry: checks
Xaston: bets $10
1966henry: calls $10
----- TURN ----- [Kd 6c 5s][Qc]
1966henry: checks
Xaston: bets $20
1966henry: raises $40


What's your plan for the rest of the hand.

3 bet it, if he caps then call and call a non club on the river/raise any river club. He may have turned two pair but I doubt it, I'm guessing you're up against a weaker K so make him pay.

Actually, this is player dependent.
Since i have been playing alot of live games lately as opposed to online shorthanded madness, i have leared the fine art of not threebetting the nuts on the turn and going tfor the river CR, because if you threebet someone with a weak king, then if they are in thier right mind they are going to muck that shit and your going to miss out on a FAT 2 BB that you couldve gotten had you CRed the river or in the alternative, 1BB that youd have gotten had you called the raise and donkbet the river. And, if hes got ANYTHING but a smaller (not that much smaller) flush, he's not going to give you 4 turn bets and a bunch of river bets, unless he's a mizor of course. But, if hes gotta weak king or worse pair than that, youve gotta worry about him checking behind on the river and mizing a free showdown on your nut hand, which sucks balls of course.

SO: If this is a SH mizor, id three bet it and hope he gave me more akshun with a worse hand, with the security of knowing that he woudny laydown a beaten pair. BUT if the player wasnt so mizorly that he couldne make a laydown id either call/check hiping to get a CR off, or id call/donkbet the river.

hmm. So you do. Well, now this one becomes 'close.'

Xaston:

Read??? With none....

Just call.

Call the river unimproved and raise if you do improve. Bet if checked to you.

Fred

man i was faded when i first read this. I thought you made the 2nd nut flushie here and this was a 'how do i max my value' post. Yeah, what derf said.

I gotta admit that I like Derf's line, but that may be a little weak for your fancy.

But, you could always just call here and bet/raise any river. You limit your exposure to the situation where you have the worst hand on the turn (if he made two pair), and on the river you will probably lose the same number of bets as you would have lost if he had two pair on the turn - it would be difficult for him to three-bet a raise on the river without a super strong hand. I mean it's either three or four bets on the turn and one on the river, or two bets on the turn and two on the river. Each one loses you 4 bets if behind.

However if you're ahead, then he might bet the river and call the raise, winning you the exact same # of bets you would have won if you three bet the turn and bet the river. As well, if he's on a pure bluff then you will probably cause him to bluff the river, winning an extra bet that you wouldn't have gotten if you reraised the turn.