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PLO8 - tough turn fold

Postby TomG » Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:53 am

Paradise Poker Pot-Limit Omaha/8, $0.50 BB (9 handed)

UTG ($117.00)
UTG+1 ($118.50)
MP1 ($86.75)
Hero ($120.50)
MP3 ($56.00)
CO ($98.50)
Button ($98.00)
SB ($35.00)
BB ($139.75)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with [Qh], [Qc], [As], [3s]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, 2 folds, Hero calls $1, MP3 calls $1, CO calls $1, 1 fold, SB (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($6) [8c], [6s], [Kd] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks, CO checks.

Turn: ($6) [Js] (6 players)
SB bets $4, BB folds, UTG raises to $8, Hero folds...

I was looking forward to calling had UTG not raised. Sandwiched between UTG and the SB, I was afraid SB might re-raise all-in (he only had $30 left in this quickly escalating pot). I decided I was probably short of the equity to make this a +EV call all-in and that the strength of my hand lies in it's implied odds on the river if I can catch my card. However, only my flush and gutshot straight draw are to the nuts. Had I held A2QQ, I would have called. Holding A3QQ, I decided to fold. You can guess the river card. :lol: What do you think? Would you call?
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Postby Kuso » Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:33 am

wwcrd?

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Postby TomG » Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:07 am

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Postby TomG » Thu Feb 16, 2006 9:28 am

Turn: ($6) [Js] (6 players)
SB bets $4, BB folds, UTG raises to $8, Hero folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, SB raises to $30, UTG calls $22.

River: ($66) [9s] (2 players)
SB bets $4, UTG calls $4.

Final Pot: $74

Results in white below:
UTG has 9h Ks Ts Kc (High: flush, king high).
SB has Jh Jc Ad 3h (High: three of a kind, jacks).
Outcome: UTG wins $74.


I was right with my read that SB was itching to push all-in after UTG's raise. I initially was relieved that I folded when SB pushed. I would have had to have folded if UTG then pushed all-in over the top of SB's re-raise. Too bad, that would have been a perfect river card for me. The equity numbers are below...

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1531592
pokenum -o8 qh qc as 3s - jh jc ad 3h - 9h ks ts kc -- 8c 6s kd js
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 36 enumerated boards containing Js 6s 8c Kd
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
As 3s Qc Qh 5 9 27 0 0 0 16 0.306
Jc Ad Jh 3h 1 1 35 0 0 0 16 0.139
Ks Ts Kc 9h 14 26 10 0 0 0 0 0.556


http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1531593
pokenum -o8 qh qc as 3s - - 9h ks ts kc -- 8c 6s kd js
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 40 enumerated boards containing Js 6s 8c Kd
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
As 3s Qc Qh 9 9 31 0 16 0 0 0.375
Ks Ts Kc 9h 19 31 9 0 0 0 0 0.625
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Postby GooperMC » Thu Feb 16, 2006 9:55 am

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Postby Kuso » Thu Feb 16, 2006 10:12 am

gooper, your HU numbers are worst case scenarios. i don't think that you can really put UTG's range to only those kind of rock solid hands (all AK except one JJ).

there are a lot of A2 and A3 hands against which A3QQ is not such a dog.
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Postby Kuso » Thu Feb 16, 2006 10:52 am

wwcrd?

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