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Postby Ojingo » Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:21 am

$100 PLO on UB. Opponent is a decent regular. Almost always when he enters a pot in MP/LP he will put in a raise. About ten minutes after he arrived I won a $150 pot from him, where he raised PF, I called with TTJJ, and where the board came KT6 with two clubs. I bet pot on both flop turn and turn and he called; on the river I made a smallish value bet which he called. He had AAxx with nut flush draw and gutshot. For this hand he reloaded to $100, I cover.

I limp in with AQT7ds in LP and opponent on button raises. I'm the only caller. Flop comes AA7. I check, opponent bets pot, I checkraise pot, opponent calls. Turn: 5. How do you maximize here?
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Postby briachek » Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:25 am

i pot it again as he seems to have a strong ace an any card above 7 besides T and Q is a bad card for you. I don't mess around with these hands and I make him pay full.
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Postby Kuso » Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:30 am

what's the pot size on the turn?


regardless, i think this is very read dependent. i'm guessing he either likes his hand, doesn't believe you have a hand, or is just plain dumb, so i don't think you'll need to work hard to get more money out of him.

there is the chance that he wants to see if you'll fire another barrell, in which case he will fold to any further action.

i guess what i am trying to say is that the decision of what villain does has probably already been made, so the amount that you bet is not likely to be relevant. i personally would BTP in case he has the other A with overs -- i want to charge him the max for drawing.
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Postby JDLush » Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:33 am

I agree with Bri here. You *may* need to dodge at most 9 outs, but since you can't know which 9 (and that would be assuming he has something perfect like AKJ9 or whatever) you have to worry about 12. You can't afford to give him a free shot at that, so I pot it and make him call without the odds to do so.
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Postby Ojingo » Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:44 am

Pot on the turn is close to $90, he has about $70 left.

I see three lines here:

1) Put him allin. This will get a call only if he has AKxy and thinks I'm full of it. This is not a board to bluff off your stack, and not many players will bluff that turn when called on the flop. Will, of course, also get a call by A7 (unlikely, would have pushed flop) or 77 (simlarly).
2) Bet small, but big enough to make it incorrect for him to draw to his kicker. This would automatically commit him in case he calls, so then the money would go in on the river anyway.
3) Check or bet really small in order to feign weakness. This would look like my flop raise was a weak A, and now I'm backing off. However, if he checks behind and a K hits the river it would be disastrous.

Seems that you guys are in favour of 1).
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Postby Kuso » Fri Feb 24, 2006 12:10 pm

yes... 1 for me.

2 is a bit too cute for my tastes. at these levels, i'd rather make a ton of sklansky bucks on the turn or take the pot down when i have a vulnerable non-quad nuts hand. these games aren't tight enough (at least imho) that you need to squeeze every little sklansky buck out of every hand. i think this is also giving villain too much credit -- you assume that he will differentiate between the two bets (1 and 2).

3 is a disaster waiting to happen. i'd rather have him fold.
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Postby ISuckAtLife » Fri Feb 24, 2006 12:10 pm

Don't force yourself into a potentially tough decison on the river OOP. Set him in.
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Postby Ojingo » Fri Feb 24, 2006 12:20 pm

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Postby Kuso » Fri Feb 24, 2006 12:38 pm

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Postby JDLush » Fri Feb 24, 2006 12:53 pm

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Postby Kuso » Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:00 pm

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Postby Kuso » Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:15 pm

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Postby briachek » Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:56 pm

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Postby Ojingo » Fri Feb 24, 2006 2:16 pm

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