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Postby Stelvask » Mon Nov 08, 2004 5:32 pm

Oddly enough, i played a hand almost exactly like this one yesterday. I thought i'd post it and see how someone else may have played it. I think i made a mistake with my turn bet (probably should have checked ).
I have $135. My opponent in the SB has $75. He's half-way decent, a little loose, and a little trickey.

3 limpers to me. I call with [7d][6d] SB calls BB checks. 6-way pot.
$6

[Jd][6c][4s]

everyone checks to me. i decide to fire out $5. only the SB calls.
$16

turn: [4d]

SB checks. I fire $10. he flat calls again. hmm...

$26
river: [10d]

he suddenly bets $10 into the pot.

I take a while and finally decide to pay him off with my low flush on a paired board. I figured him for either top or middle pair to call my bet, neither of which would allow for the flush right now. I also didn't think he'd call my flop bet with just two overcards and a backdoor flush draw. A flopped set was a definate possibility, but for a small bet, i figured i'd take my chances.

I called and he showed [Ks] [4h].

thoughts?
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Postby iceman5 » Mon Nov 08, 2004 5:40 pm

I dont see any problem with how you played it. If you didnt pick up the flush draw, I would check and concede most every time, but with the flush draw, I would probably bet about half the time.
Never raise that river bet though.
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Postby Nashvegas » Mon Nov 08, 2004 5:41 pm

I think you made the right move everywhere, except I don't think I would've fired $5 at the $6 pot -- a $4 bet will be just as effective at folding the field in most cases, right? Just a small edge. Other than that, great job.

Maybe someone would like to discuss the merits of taking a shot at the pot at all on the flop?
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Postby iceman5 » Mon Nov 08, 2004 5:43 pm

Now that you mention it Nash, with 6 players seeing the flop, I wouldnt have bet the flop. With 3 or 4 yes, but 6 is too many to think that nobody will call.
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Postby Stelvask » Mon Nov 08, 2004 6:47 pm

ice- you said you wouldn't bet the flop with 6 players in it. What would you do if the same turn card fell and they checked it to you again?
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Postby iceman5 » Mon Nov 08, 2004 7:37 pm

If they check it to me twice, I'll take a shot at it for sure.
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Postby McMonkey » Tue Nov 09, 2004 10:08 am

What does everyone think of the turn bet amount? To me it practically announces a feeler bet with a weak hand and if I were his opponent I would seriously consider raising a good deal of the time. On the other hand you don't want to dump too much more into a weak pair/draw artificially building a pot to play for, not to mention that his opponent very likely isn't sophisticated enough to read the $10 bet as weak.

If you had a strong hand on the turn here would you bet the same?
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Postby Stelvask » Tue Nov 09, 2004 10:25 am

My bet may have been a little weak, but i dont' think it's bad by more than a dollar or two. it's close to a 3/4 pot bet. How much would you have bet here on a strong hand?

If i held AJ, i'd be making the same bet, likewise of 66.

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Postby iceman5 » Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:41 am

If I was the opponent, I wouldve raised Stelvasks turn bet, not because it was weak, but because I have 3 4's and I have the best hand. He tried to get tricky and paid the price.
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Postby McMonkey » Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:22 pm

LOL, iceman.

I wasn't necessarily trying to imply that a mistake was made, just that it would be a very uncomfortable situation if raised in that spot. I wanted to pick some brains to see if there were any other ideas, or if everyone agreed it is a risk you have to take. I agree and think I would have bet the same or very close to the same amount.
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