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Flush in 5, how to extract maximum value? (stud 2/4 fr)

Postby Juskimo » Sun Oct 29, 2006 12:40 pm

Trying to maximize the value in this hand. Raise on 5th, raise 6th, raise the river or just keep smooth calling?

PokerStars Game #6816224749: 7 Card Stud Limit ($2/$4) - 2006/10/29 - 13:30:19 (ET)
Table 'Muscida III' 8-max
Seat 1: SeenItAll5 ($44.75 in chips)
Seat 2: lehuapannn ($97 in chips)
Seat 3: jbirddale ($29 in chips)
Seat 4: SantaFe56 ($74.50 in chips)
Seat 5: FLHT Bagger ($37.75 in chips)
Seat 6: als7823 ($119 in chips)
Seat 7: TheBlackFox ($178.75 in chips)
Seat 8: Juskimo ($114.50 in chips)
SeenItAll5: posts the ante $0.25
lehuapannn: posts the ante $0.25
jbirddale: posts the ante $0.25
SantaFe56: posts the ante $0.25
FLHT Bagger: posts the ante $0.25
als7823: posts the ante $0.25
TheBlackFox: posts the ante $0.25
Juskimo: posts the ante $0.25
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to SeenItAll5 [3h]
Dealt to lehuapannn [As]
Dealt to jbirddale [9d]
Dealt to SantaFe56 [5c]
Dealt to FLHT Bagger [4c]
Dealt to als7823 [6c]
Dealt to TheBlackFox [4h]
Dealt to Juskimo [4d Qd Ad]
SeenItAll5: brings-in low $1
lehuapannn: raises $1 to $2
jbirddale: folds
SantaFe56: calls $2
FLHT Bagger: folds
als7823: calls $2
TheBlackFox: folds
Juskimo: calls $2
SeenItAll5: calls $1
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to SeenItAll5 [3h] [Td]
Dealt to lehuapannn [As] [8h]
Dealt to SantaFe56 [5c] [5s]
Dealt to als7823 [6c] [7h]
Dealt to Juskimo [4d Qd Ad] [3d]
Pair on board - a double bet is allowed
SantaFe56: bets $2
als7823: folds
Juskimo: calls $2
SeenItAll5: calls $2
lehuapannn: calls $2
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to SeenItAll5 [3h Td] [6d]
Dealt to lehuapannn [As 8h] [5h]
Dealt to SantaFe56 [5c 5s] [Jc]
Dealt to Juskimo [4d Qd Ad 3d] [8d]
SantaFe56: bets $4
Juskimo: calls $4
SeenItAll5: calls $4
lehuapannn: calls $4
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to SeenItAll5 [3h Td 6d] [8s]
Dealt to lehuapannn [As 8h 5h] [7s]
Dealt to SantaFe56 [5c 5s Jc] [Qh]
Dealt to Juskimo [4d Qd Ad 3d 8d] [6h]
SantaFe56: bets $4
Juskimo: raises $4 to $8
SeenItAll5: folds
lehuapannn: folds
SantaFe56: calls $4
*** RIVER ***
Dealt to Juskimo [4d Qd Ad 3d 8d 6h] [Tc]
SantaFe56: checks
Juskimo: bets $4
SantaFe56: calls $4
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Juskimo: shows [4d Qd Ad 3d 8d 6h Tc] (a flush, Ace high)
SantaFe56: mucks hand
Juskimo collected $58 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $60 | Rake $2
Seat 1: SeenItAll5 folded on the 6th Street
Seat 2: lehuapannn folded on the 6th Street
Seat 3: jbirddale folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 4: SantaFe56 mucked [5d 9c 5c 5s Jc Qh 2d]
Seat 5: FLHT Bagger folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 6: als7823 folded on the 4th Street
Seat 7: TheBlackFox folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Juskimo showed [4d Qd Ad 3d 8d 6h Tc] and won ($58) with a flush, Ace high

-Jus
[23:42] Mekos King: and lookin bck on it all
[23:42] Mekos King: I FEEL RICH JEWISH GUILT

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Postby Gryff » Sun Oct 29, 2006 5:57 pm

You just keep calling, unfortunately you're out of position.

You gain one unit if you raise and Santafe calls but both players behind fold, but you gain two if they both call.
If one calls and one folds you have gained the same as raising.

Your best move is to call until the river and pop the raise in there - of course thats where the biggest scare will come if you do get reraised.

On the river if they make flushes/straights they will not beat you but may call/raise for extra value. Of course the worst thing that could happen would be for Santafe to checkraise you on 7th when he boats but if it happens it happens.
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Postby flafishy » Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:22 am

I max it out all the way from 5th on. SantaFe obviously has trips, and I have to make him pay maximum to keep drawing at his boat.
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Postby Gryff » Mon Oct 30, 2006 3:33 am

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Postby Kuso » Mon Oct 30, 2006 3:47 am

wwcrd?

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Postby flafishy » Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:37 am

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Postby emmasdad » Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:53 am

I raise 5th. You don't know that the other two will call behind, so going for overcalls is risky in that you may not charge Sante Fe an extra bet and you may miss the overcalls. Once you get the overcalls on 5th, you should go for overcalls on sixth too. You get an extra BB, and their boards aren't scary.
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