Plumber needed, to fix leak?

[striker2550]

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is BB with , . MP3 posts a blind of $3.
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 (poster) checks, CO folds, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (5 SB) , , (5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 checks, Button checks.

Turn: (2.50 BB) (5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 checks, Button bets, SB folds, Hero raises, UTG+1 folds, MP3 folds, Button 3-bets, Hero calls.

River: (8.50 BB) (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Ks Th (one pair, kings).
Button has Qs Tc (straight, king high).
Outcome: Button wins 10.50 BB.

On flop I thought this was a good chance to trap someone, oops!
Just in general, is this type of play in this general situation, a leak in my game?
What would you have done?

[Nortonesque]

Playing top pair/medium kicker out of position can be tricky. I think you should assume you are ahead here though, until someone gives you reason to believe otherwise. So bet out on that flop and see what happens.

When you check-raised the turn and got 3-bet, you can be pretty sure that top pair is no good. There's a possible straight on board, which the button doesn't seem to be afraid of. If the button had two pair he'd probably just call you down.

[Hofstra]

If you routinely try to trap people with a flop like that I think it will cost you. Your hand is just too vulnerable. Giving a free card might
- allow people to catch their straight, as in the hand
- allow a small pocket pair to hit a set
- allow a second pair such as A9 to hit a third 9
- allow an ace to make a higher pair.
Against four opponents in an unraised pot, the chance of one of those things happening is just too big. Any card 5-A, except for K of course, is potentially dangerous.
So, on the flop you should in general bet out.
If you're confident that someone else will bet the flop you could try a check-raise.
Turn play is fine, but the reraise means your two pair is probably no good against most players.

Pieter

[nolimpin]

Bet that flop everytime! You have a made hand (that is very vulnerable) and you want to punish draws. Never give a free card in that situation. His 3 bet on the turn screams QT unless he is absolutely horrible.

[striker2550]

I posted it cause after going over my session, I know I played it wrong.

Normally I would bet out on that flop, but I fell prey to fancy play syndrome.
Just too many players in to try a check raise here w/ only TP, medium kicker.
I only called him down, cause I did have a str8 draw AND this guy was horrible.
Would have folded otherwise.

I do hereby swear that I wont try to trap w/o a strong hand into that many players.

Thanks guys.

[nolimpin]

If you are going to slow play against 4 players, make sure that you have a VERY BIG hand (trips doesn't qualify) on an uncoordinated board AND you are 95% certain that a player behind you will bet.

There is no reason to be fancy at lower limits. Most of these players are calling stations and you can easily make 4 or 5 BBs per 100 hands just playing smart, tight ABC poker.

Now, every once in awhile I'll find a good opportunity to slow play. Here is an example.

***** Hand History for Game 1228111203 *****
2/4 TEXASHTGAMETABLE (LIMIT)
Table Table 12487 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 2: dourbird ( $91)
Seat 3: dennisrueben ( $49.5)
Seat 4: RIGGS34 ( $59)
Seat 5: waltflanigan ( $178)
Seat 6: dragnnet690 ( $40)
Seat 7: cragor ( $142)
Seat 8: HappyRaiser ( $111)
Seat 9: eagleye7 ( $84)
Seat 10: No_Limpin ( $194.5)
waltflanigan posts small blind (1)
dragnnet690 posts big blind (2)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to No_Limpin [ Ad, As ]
cragor folds.
HappyRaiser folds.
eagleye7 folds.
No_Limpin raises (4) to 4
dourbird folds.
dennisrueben calls (4)--> poor LAG
RIGGS34 folds.
waltflanigan raises (5) to 6 --> okay player, I put him on AK, KK or QQ
dragnnet690 folds.
No_Limpin raises (4) to 8 -> nothing fancy here
dennisrueben calls (4)
waltflanigan calls (2)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Ac, 8d, 6h ] --> how about those nuts!
waltflanigan bets (2)
No_Limpin calls (2)--> now I get tricky
dennisrueben raises (4) to 4 --> how awesome!
waltflanigan raises (4) to 6 --> must be AK!
No_Limpin calls (4) --> still being tricky
dennisrueben raises (4) to 8 --> beautiful!
waltflanigan calls (2)--> all aboard!
No_Limpin calls (2)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Ts ] --> surely this didn't help anybody
waltflanigan checks.
No_Limpin bets (4)--> hoping for more raises!
dennisrueben raises (8) to 8 --> YES!
waltflanigan calls (8)--> YES!
No_Limpin raises (8) to 12 --> Now I pop them!!!
dennisrueben calls (4)
waltflanigan calls (4)
** Dealing River ** : [ 5c ]
waltflanigan checks.
No_Limpin bets (4)
dennisrueben calls (4)
waltflanigan folds. --> folded this huge put for 1 more bet????
** Summary **
Main Pot: $91 | Rake: $3
Board: [ Ac 8d 6h Ts 5c ]
dourbird balance $91, didn't bet (folded)
dennisrueben balance $17.5, lost $32 [ 8c Tc ]--> that's all??? [ two pairs, tens and eights -- Ac,Tc,Ts,8c,8d ]
RIGGS34 balance $59, didn't bet (folded)
waltflanigan balance $150, lost $28 (folded)
dragnnet690 balance $38, lost $2 (folded)
cragor balance $142, didn't bet (folded)
HappyRaiser balance $111, didn't bet (folded)
eagleye7 balance $84, didn't bet (folded)
No_Limpin balance $253.5, bet $32, collected $91, net +$59 [ Ad As ] [ three of a kind, aces -- Ad,As,Ac,Ts,8d ]