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Am I nitpicking here? Missed value bet? (LIve 2/4)

Postby MTPaid » Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:01 pm

Pretty much your basic live 2/4 table. A little bit of everything.

[Kh][Qh] 2 off the button.
To simplify, couple of limps, I raise, CO cold calls, blinds and limpers call.

[Jh][Qd][5h] Pot 12SB
BB bets, MP calls, I raise, CO calls, BB calls, MP calls (2 folders - we're down to 4)

[2s] Pot 9BB (I deducted $4 rake)
BB checks, MP checks, I bet, CO calls, BB calls, MP calls

[Tc] Pot 13BB
BB checks, MP checks

Reads:
BB solid. Probably wouldn't bet into me without anything, but timid unless he has the nuts. Would probably check/call TPGK+, 2 pair, maybe even a set fearing that I had AK because I've shown AKs several times after aggression. Will fold all else.

MP maniacal tendencies unopposed, but usually will just call down vs aggression and then fold on the river for one more bet unless he catches a big hand. Rarely bets on the river because he said that he doesn't like taking a chance on getting raised. He's most likely folding if I bet here.

CO is on tilt. Says he won about $1K in a 5/10 game in about 20 minutes last week and thinks it should be like that all the time. Can't understand how he loses every pot. I don't fear him. If it were just him I'd definitely bet.

Should I bet here or am I only going to get called by 2 pair type hands enough to make a bet here probably break even and not even worth posting about. In other words, is it marginal either way or is it a big mistake not to bet?
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Postby antneye » Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:18 pm

I bet. We are not ever going to see AK here are we? We may see QT or Jt sometimes, but I just can't check this.

Can we fold to a raise? If so we bet. No one is bluff raising here.

If you can't fold then just check behind.

I seem to give this advice often. God, anyone who reads these boards should be able to bluff raise me off many rivers..........but then you would realize that I can't take my own advice and I would get value from your bluff.....tite.
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Postby MTPaid » Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:20 pm

I could only even think about folding to BB and even then, the pot is probably too big at over 15BB at that point.
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Re: Am I nitpicking here? Missed value bet? (LIve 2/4)

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Postby MTPaid » Mon Aug 27, 2007 9:27 pm

That's pretty much what I was thinking. A small bet for man, but a large leak for mankind type of thing.

I wasn't really that worried about a c/r either. I was more concerned about whether I was going to get enough losing hands to call me as opposed to the 2 pair or the folds.

PS - The river c/r bluff is way more common than you'd think in these games. I usually see it at least once a session. Saw one yesterday where the guy c/r'ed and then insta-mucked when he was called and another guy did it with 3rd pair on the board. I had one guy do it about 2 months ago to me when I had the nuts so it's pretty hard to fold to these.
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Postby MTPaid » Wed Aug 29, 2007 1:12 pm

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