How does everyone play this flop?

[kennyg]

Party $100 max buy in $1/2 blinds

dealt [Qd] in the cutoff ..i raise to $8... button calls blinds fold...we both have right around $100 stacks starting the hand.


Flop pot $19
[Td][Jh]

I bet $15 into the $19 pot with my AQ with two overs and an openended straight draw.
button raises min. to $30.

What do you guys do from here?

Results later.
(re-edited because i messed up my position earlier...i was not on the button)

[Bob314]

I think your overcards are of dubious value here. I would be more concerned about having an open ended straight draw draw. You are getting 4-1 here and are in position so I would call. You left out the fact here that he check-raised you on the flop. I doubt you are up against a set here, but maybe 2 pair? Maybe he thinks your are position betting and doesn't believe you (Which you are, 'cause you are on a semi-bluff). Maybe he limps with Q-J suited and calls a raise, I dunno. I definitely doubt that pushing it all in right here is the right play. You still have position so I'd call with good pot odds and see what develops on the turn, but I'm folding to many bets on the turn.

[Nortonesque]

I agree with Bob. It's $15 to win $64 here, just slightly less than your odds to hit a K or 9, but implied odds make it a call. After showing aggression with the check raise, he will still bet out a good deal of the time when a K or 9 comes.

[iceman5]

I fold and let him have it. He could have a set or JT and if an ace or queen hits youre going to be tempted to continue. Chasing this stuff gets expensive.

[Mad Genius]

I think I call here. His play doesn't look like a set at all to me; why the hell would he check-raise the minimum with such a scary board? Say you had AK, would he really want to give a free card off with a set? Same with AQ and KQ. The min raise looks fishy, and I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him check the turn if you call. The 9 isn't such a great card to get because you won't get action unless he also holds a Q, but the K is a great card and if he indeed is holding a set than you are pretty much guaranteed his stack if you hit the K.

On an unrelated note, it seems like you are getting into a lot of trouble with AQ in general. I know I usually have a tough time playing AQ, and I think in a lot of cases you can just limp with it, although on the button it's a clear raise. Was this a 6-max table or a normal table?

[kennyg]

oh guys crap...i screwed up... i'm not on the button here.. he is on the button, i'm acting in front of him. i will edit my first post.

so he never checked it to me...i just lead out with $15. does that change anything?? so yeah i was out of position

Anyway,
I decided to move-in here and represent an overpair, also knowing i had tons of outs. i thought him folding was a strong possibilty but instead he called INSTANTLY with AJo..top pair jacks.

I managed to squeak out a Queen on the turn but he hit another jack on the river.

I'm very surprised no one goes for a reraise all-in here. Looks like I have to reevaulate my play... I couldn't believe he didn't even hesitate to call my bet!!!! That really annoyed me and pissed me off.

[kennyg]

MG
It was a normal table...and yeah AQ sucks. but with no one in and my late position...I thought a raise preflop was def. the way to go. And of course the button calls with a dominated hand and kills me...but that's life.

[Mad Genius]

Oh that changes a lot of things. Hmm...I did think about the reraise all-in but I think I would rather make that play if he min checkraised me for reasons explained above. And yes, the open-raise is definately the way to go. I thought there was already a limper, in which case I would be more hesitant to raise with it.

Anyway, since you are out of position the hand becomes much tougher. You could call, but where would that leave you on the turn? You have 8 legit outs and 6 iffy outs, but regardless if you miss and check your opponent is most likely putting you under a lot of pressure. I think I would call and then lead out for a small bet on the turn. Maybe your opponent will view it as a bet wanting to be raised and smooth call, giving you a cheap river. Does anyone think this play would work, or would kenny just get blasted off by a big raise if he leads in for a small amount (I'm talking 1/3rd pot-size or so)?

[Bob314]

If you are out of position then I think it is an even clearer fold when you get raised and you are out of position (though it isn't so bad taking a stab at it like you did).

[iceman5]

Im trying to think what hand that the avg Party Poker player would min raise that flop with and then fold to the all in and I cant come up with one. QQ maybe but I doubt it seriously. (Obviously hes not folding QQ if he wont fold AJ)
Can someone tell me a hand he might do that with?