The Party Poker Difference

[kennyg]

Party Poker $1/2 blinds $100 max buy-in

stacks
me= $100
enemy = $70

I'm dealt [Jh] UTG. I raise to $8... enemy calls in LP.

FLOP pot $19
[6s][9h]

I bet $16, he raises to $32. He has about $30 left after the raise.


What does everyone do?

[Jav]

Do you have a read on this player at all? This is a tough one. At those tables I wouldn't be shocked if he had AT or Axs to have TP/TK or the nut flush draw. But that minimum raise on the flop also looks a lot like someone with a set. But if they really had the set, they also might wait until the turn to raise. With a coordinated board I think a flop raise would be more likely though.

A higher pair is also possible, since many people like to flat call raises with KK or AA.

I don't know, there is a reasonable chance you are ahead, but I'm not sure the chance is big enough. Even if he is on a draw he'll get there 1/3 of the time. And if he has TP/TK he still has five outs to beat you barring the board pairing.

I think this time I'm folding, and I'm going to be watching the player to see if I can get a bit more information on him....

[odogg]

A call here is completely out of the question. There are a lot of hands he could hold that have you beat but could obviously be raising in hopes of getting a free look at the turn and river.

I throw out a straight because I do not think he would play the nuts so fast.

AA, KK, QQ, TT, 99, 66, 78 suited, 9T suited have you slaughtered.

AK spades also gives him a lot of outs. All of these hands could be smooth called in late position.

If you held KK or AA I would definately put him in. In this case I would think a better situation will present itself and fold.

[Mad Genius]

I'm all-in most of the time here. He will have AT, KT, or even QT more often than a set. QQ-AA is probably out of the question, since most Party players are not sophisticated enough to smooth-call raises PF with big pairs. He could have T9 but even then you have 5 outs. Only thing that kills you is a set and he's gonna have to show em to me in order for me to believe it.

[kennyg]

I moved all-in...because of what I call the "Party Poker Difference"...they are morons.

He called instantly with K10o and I took it down.. That was the point I was trying to make with this hand. Party poker players are insane.

[Mad Genius]

Looks like I am getting better at reading incredible morons. I would really play at Party but I hate everything about that site, from the interface to their ridiculous max 50xBB buy-in rule to their crapshoot SnGs and even the idiots who I just couldn't figure out how to play.

[Rhound50]

I was discussing the poker poker difference with my bro the other day. I have been playing a lot more live game lately and the difference between 2/3NL $100 buy in and a party poker table is incredible. In these live games I refuse to go go bust with TPTK, on party depensing who I'm playing against I'll play it like the nuts. I have given up trying to bluff at the $50 games at party, bluffing is irrelavent if noone knows how to fold.

[excession]

I read him as AT (not the flush draw) trying to protect against flush draw. That sort of raise just screams 'protecting top pair'.

I think with a set he would have pushed all-in.

With a flush draw he would have called or pushed all-in (probable if nut flush with overcards)

With AA,KK or QQ I would have expected a pre-flop re-raise.

T9s is the other possibility (not so sure many players even at Party call 4xBB raise pre-flop with T9o).

Unless PT is teling me rock or passive player, I'm pushing all-in here.

[odogg]

[excession]

Whenever I switch from Party to another site after earning out a bonus I usually drop about $100!

It's all about metagaming - I have adjusted to play against folks who call down to the river or go all-in with top pair mediocre kicker for 1000+ hands - it is best EV at Party but I shudder when I get caught in that mindset on other sites... it's a bit like the short-stack all-ins at PokerStars - my all in pre-flop betswhen I buy in with 40% of max buy-in get called 40% of the time!

[kennyg]

I'm leaving Party again because of hands like this. The varience is just too high for me. I win/lose less money on 1/2 Royal Vegas games with $200 stacks playing 3 tables, then I do on Party (2 tables, $100 stacks.) You have to be able to adjust to the sheer lack of poker skill and nonsense that they do. It's just too much for me.

[Jav]

[Bob314]

Excession, you wouldn't happen to play Magic: The Gathering would you? All this talk of metagaming has me curious...

[excession]

of course - played MtG for 8 yrs - invented a deck called countersliver you may have heard of - was top 10 in UK at one point..

2 mtg players in top 10 at WSOP this year - I suspect the good MtG players are very adaptable with a lot of tounrey experience which makes them play out well in big tourneys

[Bob314]

I've been playing for 7 so yeah, I've been around long enough to know of countersliver. If you've ever had some good GP or PT finishes I'd probably recognize your name 'cause I follow 'em pretty closely (although I've never played one myself 'cause I live in Alaska)