Playing the "piers"

[TightWad]

Due to his mastery of playing J4o, I think it's only fair that the hand be named after our beloved botanist. Normally, I like to have a hand that has at least SOMETHING going for it if I'm defending my blind against a steal-raise, but this guy was open-raising pretty much anything in LP, so I decided to give it a go. The disturbing thing is that had I not improved on the turn, I actually would've wound up folding the best hand!

One more note: I really don't like how I played this hand on the turn. My initial thought was that this guy was gonna keep on betting no matter what until I showed strength, but that if he had nothing, he'd fold to a turn check-raise...so I flat-called and was going to check-raise the river. But then, as I often do, I chickened out on the river and was afraid he'd check behind, so I wound up leading out. So, I did fuck it up a bit, but you have to agree that his river raise is a thing of beauty.

***** Hand History for Game 2373541109 *****
$3/$6 Texas Hold'em - Saturday, July 16, 14:46:01 EDT 2005
Table Table 37948 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: sgtfda ( $115 )
Seat 5: crewchiefaa ( $169 )
Seat 10: TangRocks ( $324 )
Seat 4: JLCar ( $141 )
Seat 3: Fergie1901 ( $180 )
Seat 6: Imbroke10 ( $152 )
Seat 9: teraldino ( $75.50 )
Seat 8: Outlet ( $122 )
Seat 7: swimpizza ( $134 )
Seat 1: Tenebrion ( $153 )
teraldino posts small blind [$1].
TangRocks posts big blind [$3].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TangRocks [ 4d Jh ]
Tenebrion folds.
sgtfda folds.
>You have options at Table 39364 Table!.
>You have options at Table 27472 Table!.
Fergie1901 folds.
JLCar folds.
crewchiefaa folds.
Imbroke10 folds.
swimpizza folds.
Outlet raises [$6].
teraldino folds.
TangRocks calls [$3].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7h, 4h, 9s ]
TangRocks checks.
Outlet bets [$3].
TangRocks raises [$6].
Outlet raises [$6].
TangRocks calls [$3].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4c ]
TangRocks checks.
Outlet bets [$6].
TangRocks calls [$6].
** Dealing River ** [ 6s ]
TangRocks bets [$6].
Outlet raises [$12].
TangRocks raises [$12].
Outlet calls [$6].
TangRocks shows [ 4d, Jh ] three of a kind, fours.
Outlet doesn't show [ 3h, 3d ] two pairs, fours and threes.
TangRocks wins $76 from the main pot with three of a kind, fours.

-TW

[MecosKing]

Yet another nihan.

Sorry though, J4o is far too much of a powerhouse to be named after our rocky friend.

The first post he put up all proud about his blind defense consisted i beleive of some guy raising out of the SB with TT, and piers calling with 92o from the BB and flopping two nines. This was of course followed by a lengthy treatise about the +EV'ness of 92o from any and all positions.

Hence, 92o will always be 'the piers'. And if piers sees this post, im shure hes going to correct me about the other guys holding and remind me that he actually had 27o and was domiated the whole time.

[TightWad]

Nah, the 92o one was pretty recent. The J4o hand, I believe...he flopped bottom pair 4's against a guy's pockets sevens, check-raised him and "bet it down" only to mize out and catch a jack on the river. Actually, the more I think about it, it was capped preflop and on the flop...and since it was on Crypto, it actually went a full 33 bets on the turn, putting our hero all-in with 5 outs.

But I could be mistaken on some of the details.

EDIT : My mistake, in the hand I described piers actually held the mighty T4o, which is obviously a stronger hand since it is only a 5-gapper.

-TW

[MecosKing]

Actually, we're both wrong. But, I found the hand so here it is.

***** Hand History for Game 2224972180 *****
$10/$20 Hold'em - Sunday, March 19, 06:04:56 EDT 2005
Table Table 10793 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 4: foyled99 ( $175 )
Seat 6: Pmajestyk( $658.5 )
Seat 2: fishin4cash ( $1084 )
Seat 3: Burningfish ( $317 )
Seat 5: FrankDaTanc ( $508 )
FrankDaTanc posts small blind [$5].
Pmajestyk posts big blind [$10].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Pmajestyk
fishin4cash folds.
Burningfish folds.
foyled99 raises [$20].
FrankDaTanc folds.
Pmajestyk calls [$10].
** Dealing Flop **
Pmajestyk checks.
foyled99 bets [$10].
Pmajestyk raises [$10].
foyled99 raises [$10].
Pmajestyk raises [$10]
foyled99 calls [$10]
** Dealing Turn **
>You have options at Table 10746 (6 max) Table!.
Pmajestyk bets [$20].
foyled99 raises [$20]
Pmajestyk raises [$20]
foyle99 raises [$20]
Pmajestyk calls [$20]
** Dealing River **
Pmajestyk bets [$20].
foyled99 raises [$20]
Pmajestyk raises [$20]
folyed99 calls [$20]
Pmajestyk shows , four of a kind fours, with nine kicker.
foyled99 shoess four of a kind fours with eight kicker.
Pmajestyk wins $377 with four of a kind Jacks with nine kicker.

It was a great poker moment, that one!

[TightWad]

LOL

[MecosKing]

Actually, the real hand that i got that from was one that youd appreciate:

***** Hand History for Game 2224972180 *****
$10/$20 Hold'em - Sunday, June 19, 06:04:56 EDT 2005
Table Table 10793 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 4: foyled99 ( $175 )
Seat 6: AKsoGay ( $658.5 )
Seat 2: fishin4cash ( $1084 )
Seat 3: Burningfish ( $317 )
Seat 5: FrankDaTanc ( $508 )
FrankDaTanc posts small blind [$5].
AKsoGay posts big blind [$10].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to AKsoGay
fishin4cash folds.
Burningfish folds.
foyled99 raises [$20].
FrankDaTanc folds.
AKsoGay calls [$10].
** Dealing Flop **
AKsoGay checks.
foyled99 bets [$10].
AKsoGay raises [$20].
foyled99 calls [$10].
** Dealing Turn **
>You have options at Table 10746 (6 max) Table!.
AKsoGay bets [$20].
foyled99 calls [$20].
** Dealing River **
AKsoGay bets [$20].
foyled99 folds.
AKsoGay does not show cards.
AKsoGay wins $143

[TightWad]

Heh heh, very nice...I defend with a lotta crap, but usually give up unless I hit something. By "hit something" of course, I mean gutshot or better. It's not very often that I play back with nothing, but I do occasionally. Of course, I'm usually to much of a wuss to follow all the way through, but hell...NIHAN!

-TW

[MecosKing]

Whoah. I just noticed they have 3/6 6 max now on party.

Time to grow a pair, mizor!

[TightWad]

I already tried 'em out, dude. It warn't pretty.

Yo, check out the challenege in my journal, it seems like something a mizor like yourself would be into!

[MecosKing]

LoL. Yeah i noticed that. Im not shure what the point of seeing every flop is though? Is there a reason for that, or is it just another gratuitously strange and gin inspired Tightwad idea like the one with the plunger, the toothpaste, and the ping-pong ball?

[TightWad]

Well dude, if a couple world-class pros like you and me sat at a 1/2 table WITHOUT handicapping ourselves with the "see-every-flop" thing, the match would never end. Because we wouldn't bust. Because we're world-class pros. This challenge isn't really a test of true poker skill, it's actually more of a mizor-meter. Who can last longer while playing such beauties like 93o and Q3o in capped pots? Come on, brotha, unleash the beast within and take me up on this!

-TW

[MecosKing]

Well, i might do that later on tonight. I got way too much crap to do today- however, i can assure you I have had many headsup limit mize-fests in my time, from 2-4 to 100-200 and trust me, its easy to bust there (all to easy sometimes)

In any case, ill be on later on, not like your degenerate azz will be in bed. Then, vee shall see! How bout something a LITTLE more motivating than 1/2, like 2/4 at least

I have played limit HU where there are antes, and where the first to act is always in for a raise, so i dunno. We can figure something out. Wonder if we could get a pool together? Yeah, thisll be kindof like then Johnny Moss and Nick the Greek played HU for months on end and pushed milllions back and forth, except this will be NOT live, itll be like 20 bucks, it'll only happen once, and it'll be between guys that arent cool enough to have nicknames like 'The greek'. Other than that, it'll be the same shit though.

[TightWad]

Ahhhh, I think I see the problem. You thought i meant a heads-up match. No, no, no. Gotta be a full ring table!

And by the way...believe me, I know how easy it is to bust playing heads-up. Over, and over, and over again.

-TW

[TightWad]

Now that you mention it, though, I'd be more than willing to play you in some heads-up matches...but not at this point. I'd like to have a bit more of a bankroll first. NOT because I'm afraid of losing, but...ummmm...just 'cause, heh heh.

-TW

[MecosKing]

ooohh i get it. So you basically meant 'run over' a 1/2 table. Oh, you big hung 3/6. playing stud, you! Sounds like a time actually, but i think im gonna be too busy- i havent actually played cards ina some time cuz of the damn bar exam. But, we'll see.