Bad fold?

[MecosKing]

Well, here i went and folded the best hand. It was a doozy of a good hand too, but the way the guy played his hand on the flop and bet into the turn made me think he had a monster, like twp pair off the flop, or a set.

Dealt to AKsoGay
granata folds.
kloen111 calls [$10].
scarface_79 folds.
AKsoGay raises [$20].
MrBCAwesome calls [$15].
rexinferni calls [$10].
kloen111 calls [$10].
** Dealing Flop **
MrBCAwesome checks.
rexinferni bets [$10].
kloen111 calls [$10].
AKsoGay raises [$20].
MrBCAwesome raises [$30].
rexinferni calls [$20].
kloen111 calls [$20].
AKsoGay calls [$10].
** Dealing Turn **
MrBCAwesome bets [$20].
rexinferni calls [$20].
kloen111 calls [$20].
AKsoGay folds.
** Dealing River **
MrBCAwesome bets [$20].
rexinferni folds.
kloen111 calls [$20].
MrBCAwesome shows ] two pairs, kings and threes.
kloen111 doesn't show two pairs, tens and threes.
MrBCAwesome wins $297 from the main pot with two pairs, kings and threes.

My thinking here was like i said above- i raised the weak lead with my gutshot+2 overs thinking any of that stuff was good if i hit it- possibly an out was tainted, but these guys were mizors, so i wasnt sure. Anyways im not going to lay AK there to a weak lead from a godawful testicle like the guy who bet. So i raise and get CR/three betted then led into on the turn when i make TP/TK. Then the bet gets called in two spots!

My thinking was that even if i have the best hand currently, with all the overcalling theres a decent chance that even if i have the best at the time, i will endup getting drawn out- combine that with the possibility that im beaten one way or the other (this looks like a two pair board, doesnt it kinda?) and i decided to fold. Turns out the mizor was on an openended and turned top pair! Argh!

Anyone play this differently?

[piersmajestyk]

You are getting laid 13:1 on a call on the turn. With that kind of odds and your hand I am in there to the end. Now if one of the other folks would have raised the turn then I am dumping it but you got to call this hand. If he has a set you are still getting odds for the gutter ball and if he flopped two pair you got probably an additional 5 outs.

[briachek]

I can't believe you of all people made this fold, you mizorly bastard. You had the odds to chase your gutshot and the pot was getting large. People are always trying to outplay each other by pushing draws at 6 max so you should see this to the end. Bravo to you to trust your read but there are other factors too.

[CFlannagan]

[Tiburon]

[MecosKing]

Yeah i dunno about that one, thats why i posted it. THe thing is, the table was ridiculously loose and i knew the godawful testicles that were calling were beat, i was really only worried about the first guy...I was also worried that id probly have to split the gutshot if i hit it, and/or with all the callers, i could get drawn out on one way or the other even if i was good at the time.

The thing is, i have been laying down hands alot more lately- i am sick of being a calling station, even shorthanded. My showdown won% is like 51% or something like that, and i figure that even though i am showing a decent win rate since i tend to extract max value when my hand is good, and i pickup my share of pots on semibluffs, i figured i could save (and therefore make) some money if i just laid down those pocket Ts on that AKx board instead of call stationing.

In retrospect of course, piers and bri are right and i not only shouldve called the bet but shouldve raised, and MAN what a monster id have won with a bare TP/TK hand! I guess most of the time, if a mizor has a set, he is not going to fast play it, at least not like that guy did- the CR/3 bet REEKS of TP/TK, although godawful testicle that he is only had the OESD+2 overs (NIETHER of which were any good by the way, that mizor!)

I shouldve put him on AJ more likely than top 2 or a set, because that is exactly how id have played AJ-- and as far as a set goes, even I, who am a firm beleiver in jamming up sets for all they are worth from the get go, would not have played a set THAT fast because even though theres a straight draw on the board, unless someones got the 89 or QK openended, thier draw is not that strong and isnt terribly worrisome to a set.

Hell, i dunno. Hindsight is always 20/20 as they say, but thinkin more about it i probly should of called, as 10J or maybe KJ are the only hands I can legitimately put him on that have me beaten...and since i was 99% sure that niether of the callers had me beat, i shouldve called.

Ah well. I lay the best about once a month in general, and these days i am up to about four times a month

[CFlannagan]

[Derf]