DREAM TABLE

[Ichoi]

[EscapePlan9]

[Ricardooon]

[Nortonesque]

[MecosKing]

[Nortonesque]

Protecting your hands goes out the window in these games, so you're best off just maximizing value -- and JJ has a pretty good edge to maximize. It's much further above par than 99 and 88.

[EscapePlan9]

It's going to be a large pot even if you didn't raise JJ anyways.

I imagine you also would think raising JJ from the SB and BB are poor moves because it builds a bigger pot. Thinking that way is flawed though since the reason you are raising JJ is because by raising there you are winning "theoretical money" from others mistakes for them getting involved with crap hands in the first place. Your money comes from somewhere - and that somewhere is other players and their mistakes. Building a bigger pot with your premium hands is a good play nearly 100% of the time.

[DREW]

So what is the best way to beat an extremely loose game full of river card players.

wait for big hands and make them pay for going to the river, which in turn they will hit what they need and bust your top ten hand

or play all suited connectors and all top ten hands and hope you can out flop them?

in a low limit game you cant bluff nor can you bet enough with pocket aces to scare anyone away

[EscapePlan9]

[Kuso]

[piersmajestyk]

Well my take on this is get yourself out of the low limit games as soon as possible in live play if the rake is anything like I saw in New Orleans. They took 1 every 10 until 50 and also another 1 at 20 for a jackpot. Six dollars out of every pot is something that is going to be extremely if not impossible to beat especially when you are expected to tip the dealer for the hand and also the cocktail waitress with the nice ass when she brings you a drink, and if you drink like I do at the tables that can cut a healthy dent in your overall take

The advice I gave here in regard to low limit games was more for the relatively tighter internet games and well as for the loss of physical information. When I am in a game like this I take a shot of tequila, order a couple of St. Pauli girls and monkey it up with the best of them preflop because I am extremely good post flop in maximizing value from my hands. I don't know an exact number but I wouldn't be surprised if I saw 40-50% of the flops in some of these games. If you sit around and wait for the monster hands all night and then get them shoved up your ass by 95 sooooooooted you will go crazy. You have to see some flops and outplay them as best as possible by maximizing the hands you do hit on. Don't go crazy and start calling raises with speculative hands unless in late position and the whole table is calling but don't be afraid to limp in with alot of "speculative hands" from any position if the table is crazy loose passive.

[piersmajestyk]

Well my take on this is get yourself out of the low limit games as soon as possible in live play if the rake is anything like I saw in New Orleans. They took 1 every 10 until 50 and also another 1 at 20 for a jackpot. Six dollars out of every pot is something that is going to be extremely if not impossible to beat especially when you are expected to tip the dealer for the hand and also the cocktail waitress with the nice ass when she brings you a drink, and if you drink like I do at the tables that can put a healthy dent in your overall take

The advice I gave here in regard to low limit games was more for the relatively tighter internet games and well as for the loss of physical information. When I am in a game like this I take a shot of tequila, order a couple of St. Pauli girls and monkey it up with the best of them preflop because I am extremely good post flop in maximizing value from my hands. I don't know an exact number but I wouldn't be surprised if I saw 40-50% of the flops in some of these games. If you sit around and wait for the monster hands all night and then get them shoved up your ass by 95 sooooooooted you will go crazy. You have to see some flops and outplay them as best as possible by maximizing the hands you do hit on. Don't go crazy and start calling raises with speculative hands unless in late position and the whole table is calling but don't be afraid to limp in with alot of "speculative hands" from any position if the table is crazy loose passive.