You're Playing Too Tight (making more money @ low-limit)

[Tiburon]

[piersmajestyk]

I really don't feel like Piers "Beating Online Limit Hold'Em" sticky is the most profitable way to play loose low-limit games.

I can't argue with you there but nowhere have I ever made the comment that playing like I suggest in that thread will reap the most profits. I have only set forth some guidelines for beginning players to use until they have a more solid foundation of the game that will come with experience at the tables. When they get a better feel for the game sure they can open up some more and probably extract a greater profit from playing more marginal hands particularly in good position. Those guidelines are a simple path to follow that will keep them out of sticky situations for the most part while learning the ropes. No matter how many times they read SSHE until they get a pretty good deal of table experience behind them and learn how to handle situations post flop they will get eaten alive by playing 54s and making overcalls with third pair.

[EscapePlan9]

[CFlannagan]

[Tiburon]

My debates with EP9 are more a function of where I play. I (as I've mentioned) play mostly at Stars, in the 3/6 games (moving up to 5/10). It is a rarity for me to see a full ring table where >35% of players see the flop. Last night I was looking at the 3/6 tables, and the loosest had a "see flop%" of 32%. Most tables I play at have table VP$IPs around 24-28%.

I haven't played the higher limit tables (and I defer to Piers here) at Party/Empire, but I'm sure that as you move up in limits, the quality of players become better and the plays defined here by EP9 become significantly -EV.

I think that the ideas presented by EP9 are sound at these no-foldem games. My advice to him and other low-limit players is to tighten up SIGNIFICANTLY as your limits (and hopefully your bankroll) increase.

I appreciate your discussion, and you make solid points. Just be sure to understand that these ideas WILL NOT BE +EV as you move up. Here at BTP, we want every one of our members to be profitable players. That's why we give advice and have the forum. Good luck at the tables!

[EscapePlan9]

I already specifically defined the conditions necessary before using these strategies. There's nothing else I need to add to that.