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Postby SebQtaneus » Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:25 am

Was this fold weak play or smart play on my part? It pissed me off when he did it so I used the entire time bank before folding. :twisted: He's a Tight Neutral according to PA HUD. Only had 45 hands on him at the time though.

These are situations that get me into trouble a lot of the time because I inevitably think they are trying to check raise me off the best hand and they inevitably are betting a made hand when I call them or reraise them. This time I managed to fold it but I can't always make myself do it for some reason.

Game #1318393853: Hold'em FL ($1/$2) - 2005/11/14 - 06:02:36 (UK)
Table "Mobile" Seat 8 is the button.
Seat 1: Joh040511 ($26.43 in chips)
Seat 2: Ironboar ($50.50 in chips)
Seat 3: boson_3e8 ($14.50 in chips)
Seat 4: BLUFFING ($83.04 in chips)
Seat 5: Dilligaf2 ($107.04 in chips)
Seat 6: Seblime ($82 in chips)
Seat 7: AAW1 ($15.37 in chips)
Seat 8: Du_wang88 ($75.25 in chips)
Seat 9: Ethanjay ($43.75 in chips)
Seat 10: Hpilot ($56.50 in chips)
Ethanjay: posts small blind $0.50
Hpilot: posts big blind $1
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Seblime [5s][5d]
Joh040511: folds
Ironboar: folds
Joh040511 leaves the table
boson_3e8: folds
BLUFFING: folds
Dilligaf2: folds
Seblime: raises $2
AAW1: folds
Du_wang88: folds
ldw1311 joins the table at seat #1
Ethanjay: calls $1.50
Hpilot: folds
----- FLOP ----- [Jc][Jh][4h]
Ethanjay: checks
Seblime: bets $1
Ethanjay: calls $1
----- TURN ----- [Jc][Jh][4h][Ts]
Ethanjay: checks
Seblime: bets $2
Ethanjay: raises $4
Seblime: folds
Seblime sits out
Returned uncalled bets $2 to Ethanjay
Ethanjay: doesn't show hand
Ethanjay collected $10.50 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot $11 Main pot $10.50 Rake $0.50
Board [Jc][Jh][4h][Ts]


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Postby ihategnomes » Mon Nov 14, 2005 2:49 am

I fold there unless I have a read not to.
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Postby SebQtaneus » Mon Nov 14, 2005 11:14 am

So you guys are telling me that after raising preflop and then flopping 2 pair, you would check behind him on the turn? Doesn't that look terribly weak and begging for a lead out bet on the river by him to which you're probably going to have to fold? I mean he could have AK just as easily as AJ or Jx.

Kuso, does that over 40% under 20% thing work a real good percentage of the time? I already have those stats setup on PAHUD but I've never been sure what figures to use as ranges.
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Postby SebQtaneus » Mon Nov 14, 2005 4:36 pm

Sure, I'll check raise the turn from the blinds, especially the SB, with AK unimproved on that flop if I sense weakness from the guy that might just be trying to steal the blinds. And if he checks behind me on that flop, well, to me that looks weak. It doesn't look weak to everybody else? If not, then I may have found out why I am losing so much money from the blinds.
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