Stop and Go--executed PERFECTLY...

[Tiburon]

Not to brag, but the stop-n-go is a form of slowplaying that in this case, worked FLAWLESSLY. Both opponents hit the card I raised on, and were in reality drawing nearly dead. When I sprung it on the turn, MP1 was drawing to 4 outs (the 4 2s in the deck), and MP2 was drawing to one out (the remaining ace in the deck).

A true stop and go stops the action, as I did on the flop by flat calling the best hand, then slams on the gas pedal on the following street as I did by leading out and 3-betting. I was worried that it would chase the opponents out, but they likely had me on a small ace, maybe even a suited ace, so they came right with me down the primrose path to SHIPPING IT!

PokerStars 5/10 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is CO with , .
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 3 folds, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (9.40 SB) , , (4 players)
UTG checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, UTG folds, MP1 calls.

Turn: (6.20 BB) (3 players)
MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP2 raises, Hero 3-bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

River: (15.20 BB) (3 players)
MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls $5 (All-In), MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 17.70 BB

Results in white below:
MP1 has 4s As (two pair, aces and fives).
MP2 has Ah Kh (two pair, aces and kings).
Hero has Ks Kc (full house, kings full of fives).
Outcome: Hero wins 17.70 BB.

[stickdude]

Too bad this is all over the Internet so we can't see the look on their face when their check/raise on the turn get re-raised.

[Tiburon]

Funny part is that right until I lead out on the river, the guy with AK probably still thinks he's best...They do that traditional "check to the raiser" crap, and I lead out saying, "Dude, I didn't whiff this..."

MP1 only had $5 left, and MP2 had $15 left when he made that river crying call. I almost wanted him to re-raise me, thinking his Aces up were still good, but I think he knew he was screwed, looked at the size of the pot and decided that he just HAD to call.

I think the combination of the re-raise of the "expert check-raise" and the river lead probably moved him to jump out his window. The other guy was drawing at a straight--he called with 6-to-1 on that turn to hit a gutshot, and he couldn't think that the helped him. He's buddy listed for sure.

[EscapePlan9]

That's a bad place for a Stop-n-Go if I've ever seen one. PFR and a few callers, so the pot is large. There's a flush draw and straight draw on the flop. If you raised the flop, it'd probably be 3-bet by AK, you would cap. The turn would give him two-pair, so cap again. You missed out on a lot of bets and risked losing the entire pot here, so don't feel too great about yourself.

[Tiburon]

How could I have made more bets? I took the other two players down to $5 between them.

That's for starters.

The ONLY thing I'm somewhat fearing on this flop is Ace-rag of diamonds. The check-check-bet took that off the table for me. I'm sitting with top set, and with regard to a straight draw, anybody who doesn't have the +rag of diamonds can't possibly expect more than 3 of their outs to be good. If they're playing something else, like 42 or 64 in that situation, great for them. Even with the straight draw on board (the other player with A4 had really the only reasonable draw other than A2 for the straight), I was willing to take the risk. Not knowing that one player had AK, especially since he didn't re-raise, I figured (correctly) that a flop lead by a pre-flop raiser meant trouble for them.

Keep in mind that my table image is tight and absurdly aggressive. For the session, I was 13/7.5/3.40.

So, do I lead the flop and risk losing players over a small bet, or sucker them in further for a big one later on? I flat call the flop, making them think that MAYBE I missed AQ or something like it...Trust me, KK was nowhere on this guy's radar. The Ace on thr turn and my lead out just spices it up further, because he thought I just hit my gin card. So I get action. At this point, they're drawing DAMN thin to my set of Ks.

Open mindedly, the only things I'm behind here are:
AA (if he has it, can't help it--go down in flames)
24 (same thing--bless their hearts if they play against me with that)
Diamond draw (didn't feel like it)
46 for the OESD (again--bless their hearts).

So I lead, he check-raises me. I have the nuts here unless he's on AA or 24. Naah. I 3 bet it and get BOTH coming along. How can I extract more bets here? The only way I think I could've gotten more is by inducing UTG to stay, but he tossed to MP2's flop lead.

The river gives BOTH these guys two pair and me a full house. They were WAY behind the whole way. I extracted maximum value out of a hand that could've gotten me just the pre-flop action if I lead out.

The majority of players at 5/10 play their flush draws aggressively. You don't see them check-calling flops like that. As for the straight, if he wanted to call all that to get to his straight, more power to him. Nothing I do would change his mind.

[ihategnomes]

[Tiburon]

I considered stop-n-go to be just slamming on the brakes on one street then firing with all barrels on the next.

[The Golden 1]

I don't really see this as a stop and go, just more an AK playing like a moron really, not raising preflop. I too would've just called the flop, you can't be draw paranoid all the time. Then they check it to you and you bet it when you hit the perfect turn card. That's about it, sorry Tib but this aint that special in my book, doesn't really seem like a stop and go.

[Tiburon]

[EscapePlan9]

[The Golden 1]

[EscapePlan9]

They will call the flop with anything because its cheap

So raise the flop. You can't even effectively slow-play the turn since the raiser is on your left.

This is not a case for waiting for the turn. The raiser is directly on your left so you have no chance of trapping the players for extra bets. You are far more likely to scare them away by the turn raise than the flop raise.

You guys need to be re-reading poker theory. Big pot, bettor on your left, flush and straight draws and you have a set, there's nothing else you should be doing except raising. If the flop were K72 rainbow, then the call on the flop and raise on turn would be borderline in this large pot. Here, other than folding, calling is clearly the worst play.

[stickdude]

[EscapePlan9]

[The Golden 1]