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Postby GodlikeRoy » Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:55 am

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Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
9 players


Stack sizes:
UTG: $21.93
Hero: $24.75
MP1: $25
MP2: $25.05
MP3: $34.98
CO: $2
Button: $6.73
SB: $27.05
BB: $12.80

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is UTG+1 with [Qd] [Ks] [Qh] [Ah]
UTG folds, Hero calls $0.25, MP1 (poster) checks, MP2 calls $0.25, MP3 raises to $1.6, 3 folds, BB calls $1.35, Hero calls $1.35, MP1 calls $1.35, MP2 folds.

Flop: [Jc] [Kh] [6h] ($6.75, 4 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP3 bets $6.45, BB folds, Hero??

I'm really trying to work on my PLO game and here is another situation i'm not sure of the correct move. Call and try to make my hand, raise to put the pressure on him if he has AA or AK or something, or fold since it's unlikely my flush will get paid off if it hits? I'm at sea in situations in like this. I have a note on him that he doesn't only raise AA, so it's perfectly plausible for him to have KK/JJ here, or even a huge wrap himself.
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Postby briachek » Sun Mar 19, 2006 9:02 pm

IMO, your draw could be played either calling or raising. Getting heads up isn't bad but if you get called, you know you aren't currently ahead. However, by calling, you entice other people to call with draws worse than yours which isn't too bad either. More dead money in there the better.
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Postby Aisthesis » Mon Mar 20, 2006 2:42 am

This is too big a hand to lay down--despite my recent railing against flush draws... (sorry).

But here, you have several things going for you. You already have TPTK, which is behind to AA or KJ, ok, but ahead of some draws. But you also have the gutshot, giving you 12 secure outs, and you may even be ahead.

I think I'd like to call this, though, more often than raising, unless I feel like there's quite a bit of fold equity--like a player who will make a CB then easily lay down.
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Postby GodlikeRoy » Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:06 am

I felt the same way, so I called.

Turn: [3c] ($19.65, 2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $18.7, Hero??

This is the predicament I got myself in by calling the flop, is this a fold? Or have I invested too much?

Situations like this I really don't know what to do. It seems to me that I must fold here if I call the flop, since if I was going to call the turn when a blank hits I might as well have gone all in on the flop, right? Also, If I call the flop and a flush card hits, there's a chance i'm not going to get paid off (which is the point Aisthesis was talking about in his other threads) so it leads me to think that pushing this flop is probably the better idea after all. Thoughts on that?
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Postby Aisthesis » Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:43 am

I don't think so, really. I don't mind calling the flop, then laying down on the turn.

One thing you "find out" is just how big a hand you're up against. Sure, if you're likely up against a very thin hand from the beginning, then pushing the flop is fine. But this guy really looks to me like KK or JJ (more likely in light of your K), possibly also KJ. And I doubt any of those hands is going away here.

If he's just making a CB on his AA, it's unusual (at least at most of the games I've been playing) to keep pushing the turn with such a big bet.

Not saying the check-raise on the flop is necessarily bad, but, personally, I'd need a bit of a read before going for that. I want him to be capable of laying down AA in that spot for sure. If he's going to go ahead and push (which at that point you essentially have to call), I don't see why you should get it all in as underdog.
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