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Postby Aisthesis » Sun Mar 19, 2006 9:47 pm

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Postby briachek » Sun Mar 19, 2006 10:16 pm

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Postby Aisthesis » Sun Mar 19, 2006 10:34 pm

Hmmm... Just out of curiosity, bri, what's your current VPIP?

On the 3-legged dogs, I can agree pretty much, although AKQ2 with suited A seems to me actually reasonably strong. AJT2 or AKT2 even suited to the ace, I'm starting to like significantly less.

The quasi-wraps I actually think are pretty important. Ones I don't like are hands like 468T. That just has too many holes in it. Or 4589. I think the 2-gap ruins that one. But, since the bigger ones are better, and to put a little more of a point on it, I think 79TQ is a pretty strong hand.

I do think (more intuitively) that you want your holes at the low end of it: 6 8 TJ seems at least all right to me, but I don't think I'd play 679J.

I'll have to develop some categories on these and see what this looks like.
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Postby briachek » Sun Mar 19, 2006 10:39 pm

my vpip is between 13-16 or so.
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Postby Aisthesis » Sun Mar 19, 2006 10:43 pm

Just checked this out and some of these quasi-wraps looked good.

I called the following group "double-gutted": 4679 through 9JQA. It shows quite a good profit (one of my best groups).

Then I called another group "holey bottom" (lol): That's 4689 through 9JAK. That shows a marginal profit.

I only kept hands from these groups about half the time (just slightly over 50%).

I'm wondering if I maybe should be keeping them more often. I will say I like the holey bottoms less than that double-gutted ones.
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Postby Aisthesis » Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:22 am

I think the way I got to this was having near 100% laydowns whenever I've made the flush--even if I know for almost certain that they had a set.

On straights, I don't think it's nauseating at all if they're chasing with only 9 outs or less.

What is definitely true is that it's not particularly good to flop a dead end straight. All you can really do is just protect your hand, and someone else can have made straight with better redraw. The idea, however, is to be the one with made straight PLUS redraw...
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