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Like I said, keep in mind that the advice is from a FR player who just can't see the EV of capping A3s pre-flop.
But, also as Dan said, if you play the hand that way, you HAVE to lead the river to keep up with the bluff.
So did you take it down?
Statistics: Posted by Tiburon — Wed May 24, 2006 2:54 pm
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Have you seen a sizeable % of players who call a 3-bet on the turn and then fold to a single bet on the river? Then maybe this play is worth it somewhere.
There is probably an argument to be made about saving this particular type of play until you've played a few hands with him and he sees it as a strong move. And waiting until you see what a 3-bet PF and turn raise means by him.
Statistics: Posted by Danhdan — Wed May 24, 2006 11:55 am
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--Of course, I don't play SH, so it could also be that ace-high can win this pot, but it just doesn't compute in my FR brain.
You flop a flush draw, and I like the lead-out. I like less that he just smooth called you.
On the turn, you lead, he raises, and you 3-bet. I despise this play. He waited until the turn to show strength and tried to pick off a bluff. You're drawing to a diamond here, and if you miss (you did), you're pretty much tossing away $90, unless this guy's a COMPLETE idiot...which he might very well be.
Hands like this are the reason I just don't get shorthanded poker. It seems to me to just be a card catching contest, and a test to see who has the balls to bet more with junk to make the other fold.
Live, I can understand playing SH. Online, it just seems like pushing the raise button until somebody folds or the hand goes to showdown and the luckiest player wins.
Statistics: Posted by Tiburon — Wed May 24, 2006 9:25 am
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The preflop cap is somewhat mizorly, but in shortgames, especially really short games like 3-4 handed, this move is pretty common and pretty good.
After the PF 4 bet, the flop bet is obvious.
I dont mind the turn reraise, since if he was goin for the ole free showdown play with a hand like 88, he may fold, or if he was just makin a move with a draw or AK or something, then you set yourself up to win the hand on the river if he misses.
The river bet is sorta MEH though, i think...I dont think you could legitimately call it a value bet even if your ahead, because him callin with a worse hand is pretty damn hard after that turn threebet--and him mucking a worse hand is pretty unlikely also, after he put inthat last bet on the turn and theres like 1000000000BB in thepot, im pretty sure he's seeing the showdown with any hand that has any sort of showdown valuewhatever.
I think i check/call the river, hoping that if i have him beat, that i induce a bluff and if im not beat, hope he checks behind and save a bet. Like i said, i sorta doubt he's folding a better hand here after calling that turn threebet. As piers likes to say, id 'check that river for value'
Statistics: Posted by MecosKing — Wed May 24, 2006 12:34 am
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Stage #366342890: Holdem Normal $15/$30 - 2006-05-22 21:45:21 (ET)
Table: PALMDALE (Real Money) Seat #5 is the dealer
Seat 5 - PIMODA ($410 in chips)
Seat 7 - XASTON ($852 in chips)
Seat 4 - MONEY904 ($621 in chips)
XASTON - Posts small blind $10
MONEY904 - Posts big blind $15
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to XASTON [3d Ad]
PIMODA - Folds
XASTON - Raises $20 to $30
MONEY904 - Raises $30 to $45
XASTON - Raises $30 to $60
MONEY904 - Calls $15
*** FLOP *** [Qc 2d 10d]
XASTON - Bets $15
MONEY904 - Calls $15
*** TURN *** [Qc 2d 10d]
![[5c]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/5c.gif "The Five of Clubs")
XASTON - Bets $30
MONEY904 - Raises $60 to $60
XASTON - Raises $60 to $90
MONEY904 - Calls $30
*** RIVER *** [Qc 2d 10d 5c]
![[3h]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/3h.gif "The Three of Hearts")
XASTON - Bets $30
I think pretty much every street is debateable (although the flop bet, after capping pre flop, is pretty automatic/standard, however the pre flop cap wasn't exactly automatic.)
Statistics: Posted by Xaston — Mon May 22, 2006 8:00 pm
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