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Live Poker Forum - Online Poker Forums & Hand Analysis Poker Forum 2007-01-28T22:57:39-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/feed.php?f=12&t=21746&mode 2007-01-28T22:57:39-06:00 2007-01-28T22:57:39-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21746&p=206825#p206825 <![CDATA[Less variance in limit?]]>
Interested parties can read my conclusions and reasoning here:
http://pokerworks.com/article-778.html

Many thanks to all who shared their thoughts. I think I have a much better handle on this stuff as a result.

Statistics: Posted by geiststaat — Sun Jan 28, 2007 10:57 pm


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2007-01-14T09:03:21-06:00 2007-01-14T09:03:21-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21746&p=201568#p201568 <![CDATA[Less variance in limit?]]> Statistics: Posted by antneye — Sun Jan 14, 2007 9:03 am


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2007-01-13T22:57:07-06:00 2007-01-13T22:57:07-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21746&p=201520#p201520 <![CDATA[Less variance in limit?]]> Statistics: Posted by geiststaat — Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:57 pm


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2007-01-13T00:23:59-06:00 2007-01-13T00:23:59-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21746&p=201333#p201333 <![CDATA[Less variance in limit?]]> Statistics: Posted by growlers — Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:23 am


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2007-01-12T21:23:53-06:00 2007-01-12T21:23:53-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21746&p=201283#p201283 <![CDATA[Less variance in limit?]]> Statistics: Posted by geiststaat — Fri Jan 12, 2007 9:23 pm


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2007-01-12T21:14:20-06:00 2007-01-12T21:14:20-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21746&p=201279#p201279 <![CDATA[Less variance in limit?]]> Statistics: Posted by geiststaat — Fri Jan 12, 2007 9:14 pm


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2007-01-12T21:06:57-06:00 2007-01-12T21:06:57-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21746&p=201276#p201276 <![CDATA[Less variance in limit?]]> Statistics: Posted by Pok 7's — Fri Jan 12, 2007 9:06 pm


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2007-01-12T19:57:46-06:00 2007-01-12T19:57:46-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21746&p=201254#p201254 <![CDATA[Less variance in limit?]]>
Where the hell is Marm when you need him? He knows a lot about the PT program, plus he's a pretty good with numbers. FWIW IIRC his SD/100 was closer to the 16/17 mark (altough I could be mistaken), but he dosen't tend to be ultra TAG either.

Statistics: Posted by Pok 7's — Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:57 pm


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2007-01-12T19:57:44-06:00 2007-01-12T19:57:44-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21746&p=201253#p201253 <![CDATA[Less variance in limit?]]>
Intuitively, the sources of variance in the two come from different sources. In limit you play more hands and play them further since (a) you get the right price more often and (b) your risk is limited by betting structure.

In NL, although you play fewer hands to the river, the $ variance for these few hands is much much higher. So the overall variance is going to be dominated by the manner in which you play these pots and the nature of your opposition. If you're a setminer for example, it'll be low since you arent shoving that often and you're shoving with good hands. If you like to shove draws etc though, it'll obviously be much higher. Similarly, against certain table compositions there will be more big pots than others.

So imo, variance in NL is much more sensitive to playing style, even if you measure it by PT's SD stat. In limit for example, most TAGs report an SD of about 15 BB/100. I play LAG and mine is somewhere in the 18-20 range, whcih is 15-20% higher. In NL on the other hand, most TAGs report about 45 ptbb/100. LAGs report a much higher number - close to 60-70 ptbb/100 which is about 35-50% higher.

Statistics: Posted by redhouse — Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:57 pm


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2007-01-12T19:29:29-06:00 2007-01-12T19:29:29-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21746&p=201244#p201244 <![CDATA[Less variance in limit?]]>
Given this, say a guy plays only half hour sessions. Playing limit, his per session fluctuation will usually be pretty small since he cant lose a massive amount per hand and he isnt playing many hands. In NL however, it wouldnt be uncommon to be up or down a stack even playing short sessions, so it would be higher.

So basically the SD number in PT isnt a real SD i guess is my point.

Statistics: Posted by redhouse — Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:29 pm


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2007-01-12T18:41:37-06:00 2007-01-12T18:41:37-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21746&p=201237#p201237 <![CDATA[Less variance in limit?]]> Statistics: Posted by phytopath — Fri Jan 12, 2007 6:41 pm


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2007-01-12T18:22:20-06:00 2007-01-12T18:22:20-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21746&p=201233#p201233 <![CDATA[Less variance in limit?]]> Statistics: Posted by geiststaat — Fri Jan 12, 2007 6:22 pm


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2007-01-12T18:02:08-06:00 2007-01-12T18:02:08-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21746&p=201230#p201230 <![CDATA[Less variance in limit?]]>
Assuming that is the question, then the answer would be to determine what the SD is in $/100 for you in game A and game B. Redhouse gave us a starting point (2/4 limit and .5/1 NL), so let's say we have SD numbers in BB/100 of 15BB/100 for the limit game, and 40ptbb/100 for the NL. In $ amounts that would be $60/100 for the limit and $80/100 for the NL. NL would still be more variance, but the gap looks much smaller, expressed in $/100.

I would think that the only players who have much of a shot at having more variance in limit are the TAG players who are good at NL, but kind of bad at limit. Maybe something like a 0.5BB/100 in the limit game and 5ptbb/100 in the NL with SD #s of 14BB/100 in limit and 30ptbb/100 for the NL. So....let's assume .5/1 NL for a $10/100 win rate...which means we need the limit game to be 10/20 (right?). Now in $ terms the SD is $280/100 in the limit and $60 in the NL, lol, yeah that's quite a difference. I guess we don't need such a disparity.

Statistics: Posted by geiststaat — Fri Jan 12, 2007 6:02 pm


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2007-01-12T17:43:38-06:00 2007-01-12T17:43:38-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21746&p=201220#p201220 <![CDATA[Less variance in limit?]]> Statistics: Posted by Pok 7's — Fri Jan 12, 2007 5:43 pm


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2007-01-12T15:27:33-06:00 2007-01-12T15:27:33-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21746&p=201174#p201174 <![CDATA[Less variance in limit?]]> Statistics: Posted by redhouse — Fri Jan 12, 2007 3:27 pm


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