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Live Poker Forum - Online Poker Forums & Hand Analysis Poker Forum 2004-12-06T20:01:09-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/feed.php?f=12&t=334&mode 2004-12-06T20:01:09-06:00 2004-12-06T20:01:09-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=334&p=1643#p1643 <![CDATA[iceman5's Limit experiment]]> Statistics: Posted by iceman5 — Mon Dec 06, 2004 8:01 pm


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2004-12-06T19:52:08-06:00 2004-12-06T19:52:08-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=334&p=1641#p1641 <![CDATA[iceman5's Limit experiment]]> Statistics: Posted by Ben — Mon Dec 06, 2004 7:52 pm


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2004-12-06T18:37:23-06:00 2004-12-06T18:37:23-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=334&p=1635#p1635 <![CDATA[iceman5's Limit experiment]]> Also if the suckouts are too many..and they most certainly are at 2-4 and below, then move up. You certainly have the bankroll for 3-6 and the suckouts will be slightly less.
As you know Ice I've been propping lately and I play a lot of 5 and 6 handed limit. The suckouts here are a lot less as you are only likely to end up with two calling stations in a hand against you rather than 5.
Its all about expectations. When you get 5 callers with AA you SHOULD lose 6 out of 10 times. That's what the math says. So when people go to limit and get their aces cracked they blame the game, when the reality is you are supposed to lose more than half the time. And you will lose money desparately trying to defend your AA against the field. So blame your unrealistic expectations. i don't want to play a game where AA gets cracked 60% of the time; so I won't play with 6 calling stations at the table. I suggest either moving up or the 6 handed tables.

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2004-12-06T17:42:17-06:00 2004-12-06T17:42:17-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=334&p=1627#p1627 <![CDATA[iceman5's Limit experiment]]> Statistics: Posted by Hofstra — Mon Dec 06, 2004 5:42 pm


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2004-12-06T13:46:25-06:00 2004-12-06T13:46:25-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=334&p=1597#p1597 <![CDATA[iceman5's Limit experiment]]> Statistics: Posted by piersmajestyk — Mon Dec 06, 2004 1:46 pm


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2004-12-06T12:10:07-06:00 2004-12-06T12:10:07-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=334&p=1589#p1589 <![CDATA[iceman5's Limit experiment]]> Statistics: Posted by piersmajestyk — Mon Dec 06, 2004 12:10 pm


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2004-12-06T11:55:34-06:00 2004-12-06T11:55:34-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=334&p=1586#p1586 <![CDATA[iceman5's Limit experiment]]> Statistics: Posted by Ben — Mon Dec 06, 2004 11:55 am


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2004-12-06T11:34:35-06:00 2004-12-06T11:34:35-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=334&p=1584#p1584 <![CDATA[iceman5's Limit experiment]]> Statistics: Posted by piersmajestyk — Mon Dec 06, 2004 11:34 am


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2004-12-05T21:11:37-06:00 2004-12-05T21:11:37-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=334&p=1544#p1544 <![CDATA[iceman5's Limit experiment]]> Statistics: Posted by Ben — Sun Dec 05, 2004 9:11 pm


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2004-12-05T16:54:30-06:00 2004-12-05T16:54:30-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=334&p=1532#p1532 <![CDATA[iceman5's Limit experiment]]>
I am not going to argue about the raise with A10s from the BB. I will just say that the only two hands I raise with from the blinds in normal circumstances are AA and KK. Some fool pounding on my blinds every round and I will three bet without looking at my cards from the SB or BB. I don't have the stats to back me up one way or the other but in my opinion raising out of the BB with A10s into 5 people is just not going to show a profit and if it does it will miniscule. I clearly understand about raising in situations where you are gaining equity for that raise as Ben suggest but from the blinds into 5 others is not the place for that raise in my opinion because I don't believe that but a couple of hands have a +EV in that situation. For one thing now there are 12 bets in the pot. On the flop every person with anything is getting the correct odds to draw to beat you (bottom pair, gut shots, etc.) even if you hit your hand. If you just check the BB then bet when you hit your A or top pair 10 then they are not correct to chase in these situations and having your opponents call in these situations is +EV for you now and not for them. Sure your pots are going to be bigger when you win but I sincerely don't believe they are giong to outway your extra losses and if they do it is going to be a VERY small +EV. And if it is positive then I guess go ahead and fire away if you don't mind a greater variance factor in your game, I just prefer to play a lower variance game by eliminating these types of play from the gameplan although I might be giving up a slight overall edge.

Again when playing B&M I may very well make this play and many others when faced with a stable lineup for several hours.

Statistics: Posted by piersmajestyk — Sun Dec 05, 2004 4:54 pm


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2004-12-05T00:34:27-06:00 2004-12-05T00:34:27-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=334&p=1502#p1502 <![CDATA[iceman5's Limit experiment]]> Statistics: Posted by iceman5 — Sun Dec 05, 2004 12:34 am


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2004-12-04T20:17:01-06:00 2004-12-04T20:17:01-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=334&p=1499#p1499 <![CDATA[iceman5's Limit experiment]]> Statistics: Posted by Ben — Sat Dec 04, 2004 8:17 pm


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2004-12-04T17:37:37-06:00 2004-12-04T17:37:37-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=334&p=1486#p1486 <![CDATA[iceman5's Limit experiment]]> Statistics: Posted by MozMan — Sat Dec 04, 2004 5:37 pm


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2004-12-04T17:31:38-06:00 2004-12-04T17:31:38-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=334&p=1485#p1485 <![CDATA[iceman5's Limit experiment]]>
Nobody will fold. If you hit top pair with either your ace or ten, any one who hits any piece of the flop will have correct odds to chase their 5 outer because you built the pot preflop. If you miss the flop (which you'll do more often than not) what do you do?

Statistics: Posted by iceman5 — Sat Dec 04, 2004 5:31 pm


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2004-12-04T16:21:15-06:00 2004-12-04T16:21:15-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=334&p=1482#p1482 <![CDATA[iceman5's Limit experiment]]>
Obviously, raising hands would include: AA, KK, QQ, JJ, lower pocket pairs sometimes depending on situation. AK, AQ, AJs, and sometimes ATs, KQs, and KJs depending on the situation.

It took me a long time to get my pre-flop raise % where it should be. What it took me a while to realize is that so many of the low-limit players play such poor hands that I should be raising a lot more because I usually have the advantage playing better hands.

Here is a great example. Say you are in the BB with ATs and have 4 or more limpers in front of you. This is a definite raise in the BB.

Ben

Statistics: Posted by Ben — Sat Dec 04, 2004 4:21 pm


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