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Live Poker Forum - Online Poker Forums & Hand Analysis Poker Forum 2006-04-23T16:05:28-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/feed.php?f=12&t=344&mode 2006-04-23T16:05:28-06:00 2006-04-23T16:05:28-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=344&p=110248#p110248 <![CDATA[What do I do with this AK?]]> Statistics: Posted by Tiburon — Sun Apr 23, 2006 4:05 pm


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2006-04-22T12:52:30-06:00 2006-04-22T12:52:30-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=344&p=109971#p109971 <![CDATA[What do I do with this AK?]]> Statistics: Posted by Xaston — Sat Apr 22, 2006 12:52 pm


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2006-04-22T02:42:56-06:00 2006-04-22T02:42:56-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=344&p=109882#p109882 <![CDATA[What do I do with this AK?]]> Statistics: Posted by NWCougar — Sat Apr 22, 2006 2:42 am


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2004-12-08T14:38:05-06:00 2004-12-08T14:38:05-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=344&p=1835#p1835 <![CDATA[What do I do with this AK?]]> Statistics: Posted by odogg — Wed Dec 08, 2004 2:38 pm


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2004-12-07T02:08:05-06:00 2004-12-07T02:08:05-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=344&p=1663#p1663 <![CDATA[What do I do with this AK?]]> But I think the main point of the hand is the SB and the two spades on the board. He mucked at the river when the flush draw missed. So the correct play at the flop is to 3 bet to make a possible flush draw pay. At this point this will charge the guy betting into a draw 2 more SB's at the flop; and even though his call is correct, it will be less correct for 2SBs than for one. .
This is a classic limit hand where you have to raise to protect what MIGHT be the winning hand. Much like party 50NL tables where an AK hand hits..especially when it hits an ace, you just can't lay this hand down too often because so many times your opponents don't listen when you tell them you have AK. Certainly there are times to fold it when it hits; but this is most definitely not one of them.
Another interesting way to play this would be to call the flop bet as you did. Then if the spade misses as it did to pop the turn. Many people bet draws in limit; so if the SB checks the turn; the BB bets; your hand is worth a turn raise and you just made it close to incorrect for the SB to continue his flush draw. I haven't added up the bets but he's probably correct if he has a spade draw to continue because it was 3 bet preflop; but its stilll charging him the most you can. This is all you can do in Limit; and it also costs the BB an extra SB for being an idiot with KK. If you get 3 bet on the turn I lay this down most of the time.

Statistics: Posted by ace — Tue Dec 07, 2004 2:08 am


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2004-12-06T20:02:31-06:00 2004-12-06T20:02:31-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=344&p=1645#p1645 <![CDATA[What do I do with this AK?]]> Statistics: Posted by iceman5 — Mon Dec 06, 2004 8:02 pm


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2004-12-06T18:54:23-06:00 2004-12-06T18:54:23-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=344&p=1636#p1636 <![CDATA[What do I do with this AK?]]> If you get called I would feel pretty good about my hand but the key is with the flush draw you need to raise here to charge the draw..if its there, the maximum. Not 3 betting the flop is a big mistake IMO. The flop is when to find out where you stand while its cheap.
The KK player absolutely should cap prefllop for value here and should check fold his KK on the flop. He bungled this hand gloriously.

Statistics: Posted by ace — Mon Dec 06, 2004 6:54 pm


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2004-12-04T14:13:41-06:00 2004-12-04T14:13:41-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=344&p=1473#p1473 <![CDATA[What do I do with this AK?]]>
I agree with Piers -- reraise the turn.

Statistics: Posted by Nortonesque — Sat Dec 04, 2004 2:13 pm


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2004-12-04T13:04:50-06:00 2004-12-04T13:04:50-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=344&p=1468#p1468 <![CDATA[What do I do with this AK?]]> Statistics: Posted by briachek — Sat Dec 04, 2004 1:04 pm


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2004-12-04T12:38:12-06:00 2004-12-04T12:38:12-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=344&p=1466#p1466 <![CDATA[What do I do with this AK?]]> Statistics: Posted by iceman5 — Sat Dec 04, 2004 12:38 pm


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2004-12-04T12:21:57-06:00 2004-12-04T12:21:57-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=344&p=1465#p1465 <![CDATA[What do I do with this AK?]]>
But anyway, my problem wasn't really with the guy only calling with KK preflop rather than raisng. That's fine if he chooses to do that. My problem was with him becoming aggressive after the flop when the ace hit. The only way he could win at this point is if both players were playing big PP and missed the ace as well. Iceman cold called two bets on the flop and the other guy didn't fold either. Its possible that no one has an ace, one might be on a spade draw while one is on a big PP that they can't drop either but I would have likely given this up on the flop or turn if I had the KK.

Also, after looking over the hand again, I think I would have played it a little differently than Iceman. I probably would have 3 bet on the flop. If anyone capped it, I would know I was behind for one more small bet.

Statistics: Posted by briachek — Sat Dec 04, 2004 12:21 pm


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2004-12-04T09:55:07-06:00 2004-12-04T09:55:07-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=344&p=1455#p1455 <![CDATA[What do I do with this AK?]]> Statistics: Posted by piersmajestyk — Sat Dec 04, 2004 9:55 am


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2004-12-04T02:34:25-06:00 2004-12-04T02:34:25-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=344&p=1449#p1449 <![CDATA[What do I do with this AK?]]>
Let's say the BB flips over his hand at this time showing you that he had KK - is a call correct? The SB has 5 outs of 45 unknown cards remaining or 8:1 against while the pot is offering 15:1. So a call is justified and correct here. After the call there is 16 bets and the turn comes an offsuit deuce. The SB checks and the BB bets. The SB is now getting 18:2 pot odds or about 9:1 and will make his hand 5 times in 44 or still about 8:1 making a call correct once again. So we find that even if the SB knew what the BB had - he would still be correct to call.

Now let's suggest that the BB didn't raise. There would be 9 bets on the flop. The SB would bet again and the BB would correctly raise and when the raise got back to the SB the SB would be getting 12:1 on the same 8:1 shot. Clearly a call. On the turn the BB bets again and now the SB would be offered pot odds of 14:2 or 7:1 on an 8:1 shot... no longer does the SB have the correct pot odds to call (yes I know that one could bring implied odds into this and justify a call - but let's leave it at that for the sake of this argument and say that your opponent has correctly put you on AQ and would not call on the river if either showed up).

If the SB was going to call regardless - then you want to create a situation in which he is incorrect to call - keeping the pot smaller accomplished this.

Statistics: Posted by TheUnknownPlayer — Sat Dec 04, 2004 2:34 am


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2004-12-04T01:49:02-06:00 2004-12-04T01:49:02-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=344&p=1447#p1447 <![CDATA[What do I do with this AK?]]>
You played it the same way I would have. I would have gone into check/call mode knowing full well that a lot of times I will not win the pot but the pot had gotten large enough that the few times I do win, it would make up for the times you lose.

BTW, what did the SB end up having since he 3 bet you preflop? I would guess either AQ or QQ.

Iceman, I'm curious how you would have treated it if this was a no limit hand. Lets say you make the standard raise preflop with AK and get raised a moderate amount by the sb and the BB calls. I've always heard that you try not to lose your stack on tptk. Just goes to show the big difference between the two. In limit, you just have to be right some of the time to be profitable, but in NL, you should to be right most of the time, not just some. Is this a good assessment? I know I'm oversimplifying it.

Statistics: Posted by briachek — Sat Dec 04, 2004 1:49 am


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2004-12-04T00:55:00-06:00 2004-12-04T00:55:00-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=344&p=1445#p1445 <![CDATA[What do I do with this AK?]]>
Yes, the BB's play looks foolish but that's where the profit is at these limits. Let me describe what I believe to be his thinking:

pre-flop there is no problem with his play
post flop: SB bets...
"Maybe he's trying to steal this pot. I have to find out where I'm at so I'll raise."
turn:
"They both just called, maybe they don't have an ace after all and I have the best hand. I can't give them a free card. The SB checked to me... Great! My Kings are good! I should bet."
river:
"They both just called again, I must have the best hand! They were probably on flush draws and missed. Maybe someone has a weak ace ... unlikely but I'll bet just in case cause they shall surely throw away after I've shown so much stregnth throughout the hand."
post hand analysis:
"Damn, that lucky sob... and I had the best hand pre-flop. Why do I always lose with kings?"

I would have check-called the whole way too.

Statistics: Posted by TheUnknownPlayer — Sat Dec 04, 2004 12:55 am


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