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Live Poker Forum - Online Poker Forums & Hand Analysis Poker Forum 2006-08-20T10:14:36-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/feed.php?f=13&t=17040&mode 2006-08-20T10:14:36-06:00 2006-08-20T10:14:36-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=17040&p=149853#p149853 <![CDATA[Stud variants: agressive v. passive play.]]>
Maybe I should stop playing and hire myself out as a coach. Because I've been struggling mightily for awhile. It seems like I can't sit down at a table this month without dropping 5 or 6 BB/hr. The stud cash tables these days are where my seemingly healthy draws go to die. I'm just in one of those funks. I do remember a time not that long ago (though it feels like a decade) when I couldn't sit down at a table without winning that 5 or 6 BB/hr.

If it weren't for this forum, I may have given up on it for now. But at least this forum is giving me a place to put my theories and ideas out there, and I do get encouragement from you folks who seem to think they're sound for the most part.

Damn, variance is a bitch.

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I tend to play a little more passively on early streets in Stud and S8b, I usually try and encourage players that play anything and everything to continue doing it and getting trapped in the hand with their small 2 pair, or single big pair type hands. I am alot more aggressive on 5th-7th street, seeing most speculative and live hands to 4th if it is cheap to do so.

I am certainly no expert, though and pretty much play stud and mixed games to keep a fresh interest in Poker. I still don't see how so many people only play one single type of game.

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2006-08-20T09:49:22-06:00 2006-08-20T09:49:22-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=17040&p=149842#p149842 <![CDATA[Stud variants: agressive v. passive play.]]>
Stud is not my bread and butter game like it is Jus'. I play a lot of different games, and I mostly play stud to clear Wm. Hill bonuses, for a change of pace, and playing HORSE tourneys at Full Tilt (and now stars of course). I used to play stud live a lot, but the games have completely dried up around here in favor of hold'em. In the old days, when stud was more popular and not many of the card rooms around Nor. Cal. spread much hold'em, I played a passive style and was break-even to slightly losing. After finding BTP, and reading Jus, Piers, and flafishy's posts, and reasoning behind them, my stud game is far more profitable, and I have more of a dominating table presence, especially when I go to a live 5/10 game where the players are not aggro and the average age of the other players is death +5. I usually win, they think I am the live one, and it is a lot of fun.

Good topic Jus.

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2006-08-20T02:12:48-06:00 2006-08-20T02:12:48-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=17040&p=149761#p149761 <![CDATA[Stud variants: agressive v. passive play.]]> Statistics: Posted by flafishy — Sun Aug 20, 2006 2:12 am


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2006-08-19T21:58:57-06:00 2006-08-19T21:58:57-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=17040&p=149698#p149698 <![CDATA[Stud variants: agressive v. passive play.]]> Statistics: Posted by Marm — Sat Aug 19, 2006 9:58 pm


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2006-08-19T21:46:43-06:00 2006-08-19T21:46:43-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=17040&p=149687#p149687 <![CDATA[Stud variants: agressive v. passive play.]]> Statistics: Posted by flafishy — Sat Aug 19, 2006 9:46 pm


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2006-08-19T17:17:34-06:00 2006-08-19T17:17:34-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=17040&p=149638#p149638 <![CDATA[Stud variants: agressive v. passive play.]]> Statistics: Posted by Marm — Sat Aug 19, 2006 5:17 pm


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2006-08-19T14:21:42-06:00 2006-08-19T14:21:42-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=17040&p=149576#p149576 <![CDATA[Stud variants: agressive v. passive play.]]> Statistics: Posted by Beavis68 — Sat Aug 19, 2006 2:21 pm


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2006-08-19T12:40:38-06:00 2006-08-19T12:40:38-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=17040&p=149533#p149533 <![CDATA[Stud variants: agressive v. passive play.]]> Just off the top of my head, I can think of several advantages to playing this style.

1. It makes you much harder to read and puts more pressure on your opponents. If people know that they are going to be forced to put more moneyin the pot, it puts a tremdous amount of pressure on them. You are able to punish people for playing marginal hands.

2. You get away with a ton of value bets that either win or force people to fold marginal hands. Checking 7th with a semi decent hand (2 pair, a 9 low, etc) will often lose you that last bet if you do not regularly put it in. Which leads to...

3. You almost get paid off with your monsters. Once people see me bet my high pair, or 10s and 8s, I will get paid off on almost any hand for the rest of the session. This might not seem like a big advantage, but it is huge over the long run.

There are other factors, two of which I want to mention. You have to be able to fold hands. Blind agression will not work. Also, I (and I would assume this goes for the above mentioned players) play significantly tighter than the games we play. My vpip on the cryptos (where I spend most of my time) is around 20%. The average table (and player) vpip is around 45%.
Playing better hands more agressivly than the rest of the table = +ev.

Anyway, I figured this thread would give us a place to discuss this in the abstract without spreading it over a bunch of threads.

-Jus

Statistics: Posted by Juskimo — Sat Aug 19, 2006 12:40 pm


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