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Live Poker Forum - Online Poker Forums & Hand Analysis Poker Forum 2005-06-01T21:39:45-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/feed.php?f=23&t=3687&mode 2005-06-01T21:39:45-06:00 2005-06-01T21:39:45-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=3687&p=25214#p25214 <![CDATA[How does this look to you?]]>
Autorate Rules Begin
Aggression:N
ARI_61XL-A (-15BB)
1555.0099.00Vol. Put Money In Pot % is between 55.00 and 99.00
1511.55Aggression Factor - Total is greater than 1.55
ARI_32XL-P (-15BB)
1555.0099.00Vol. Put Money In Pot % is between 55.00 and 99.00
1541.55Aggression Factor - Total is less than or equal to 1.55
ARI_123CS (-6.6BB)
1550.011.00Aggression Factor - Total is between 0.01 and 1.00
3530.0099.00Went To Showdown % is between 30.00 and 99.00
1122.00Vol. Put Money In Pot % is greater than 22.00
ARI_44SM (-18BB)
451.0029.00Won $ At Showdown % is between 1.00 and 29.00
3115.00Went To Showdown % is greater than 15.00
ARI_75MANIAC
1535.0099.00Vol. Put Money In Pot % is between 35.00 and 99.00
1622.75Aggression Factor - Flop is greater than or equal to 2.75
1721.70Aggression Factor - Turn is greater than or equal to 1.70
1821.70Aggression Factor - River is greater than or equal to 1.70
ARI_106UA (+6.3BB)
1335.00Vol. Put Money In Pot % is less than 35.00
1622.75Aggression Factor - Flop is greater than or equal to 2.75
1721.70Aggression Factor - Turn is greater than or equal to 1.70
1821.70Aggression Factor - River is greater than or equal to 1.70
ARI_57WT (+2.9BB)
351.0013.00Went To Showdown % is between 1.00 and 13.00
ARI_148sLA (+5.1BB)
1522.0035.00Vol. Put Money In Pot % is between 22.00 and 35.00
1621.80Aggression Factor - Flop is greater than or equal to 1.80
1810.10Aggression Factor - River is greater than 0.10
1710.10Aggression Factor - Turn is greater than 0.10
ARI_89LA (+2.9BB)
1535.0099.00Vol. Put Money In Pot % is between 35.00 and 99.00
1621.80Aggression Factor - Flop is greater than or equal to 1.80
1810.10Aggression Factor - River is greater than 0.10
1710.10Aggression Factor - Turn is greater than 0.10
ARI_1510TA (+3.6BB)
1322.00Vol. Put Money In Pot % is less than 22.00
1621.80Aggression Factor - Flop is greater than or equal to 1.80
1810.10Aggression Factor - River is greater than 0.10
1710.10Aggression Factor - Turn is greater than 0.10
ARI_211LP (-9.1BB)
1535.0099.00Vol. Put Money In Pot % is between 35.00 and 99.00
1550.011.30Aggression Factor - Total is between 0.01 and 1.30
ARI_912TP (+0.2BB)
1322.00Vol. Put Money In Pot % is less than 22.00
1550.011.30Aggression Factor - Total is between 0.01 and 1.30
ARI_1313sLP (-3BB)
1550.011.30Aggression Factor - Total is between 0.01 and 1.30
1522.0035.00Vol. Put Money In Pot % is between 22.00 and 35.00
ARI_110Neutral
151.0099.00Vol. Put Money In Pot % is between 1.00 and 99.00
Autorate Rules End

Statistics: Posted by puterguy76 — Wed Jun 01, 2005 9:39 pm

]]> 2005-06-01T19:54:16-06:00 2005-06-01T19:54:16-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=3687&p=25203#p25203 <![CDATA[Autorate Rules]]> Another concern I have is that when I’m up against a WT player, who may have otherwise fallen into the TA category had he not been screened for WT first, and when seconds could be misconstrued as weakness thus provoking more aggression, I would prefer to not have to take the extra few seconds to analyze the details of their stats when it comes time to make a tough decision. In my opinion, having three categories of Neutral players is a waste of icons and I am less concerned about them when I'm in a hand so I am not under any pressure to glance at their VP$IP numbers to see how loose, tight or neutral they are. Re-using 2 of these neutral icons for the more well defined threats seems a bit more useful since the only defining criteria for these players are their VP$IP numbers, which are very easy to view when needed since they don't often pose much of a threat. In order to recognize the TA-like-weak tight players I'd have to examine their VP$IP as well as all three of their post flop aggression numbers which is a bit more complicated.

Statistics: Posted by puterguy76 — Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:54 pm

]]> 2005-06-01T16:56:03-06:00 2005-06-01T16:56:03-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=3687&p=25182#p25182 <![CDATA[Excession's new NL autorate rules are great!!]]>

you can see who are the passive WT and who are the aggressive ones at a glance surely - don't you have Vp$ip,PFR,PFA,WtSD , W$SD and hands played up for all players? same for Xtra-Loose

another problem with on-the-fly fixes to perceived problems is that the player categories you end up with will not be balanced...

the reason that the 9 standard categories come after the 5 priority ones is so that the unusual players are highlighted first

it also means that you can tweak/change/delete the five without messing with the balanced player base underneath..

sure UA and CS will always be aggressive and passive respectively - you could split XL, WT and SM into passive/aggressive/neutral if you had 6 more category slots but you can also get the same information by just looking at their PFA ratings..

and if you split these categories up to end up with too few in each so you would have to loosen their criteria to make them worthwhile again - throwing off all the other nos.

UA consists of less than 4% of the playerbase after 20 hands rated, yet you have dropped other categories to split them into 3? how is that a worthwhile 'fix'? and it looks from your figures as if all three types have the same win rates too..

you also seem to be under the misapprehension that WT players should be passives who never raise back- in fact WT players are players that don't see many showdowns- they will either fold or raise rather than call - passives tend to call more - so more often WT will be aggressives - but as they only go to showdown one in 7 times or less they are still worth bluffing at - if they re-raise you may have to let go especially if they have a high W$SD - but they aren't extreme aggressives like UA's so overall it's still worth doing - and those few that are very aggressive and somehow escape being rated UA you can just avoid bluffing if you like as you will see their big PFA's on screen ..

you are wrong that any WT players will be re-rated UA btw as UA's are rated first (no 4) and WT (no. 5)

if you want to run your amended rules on a decent sized DB and post the same table that I have on the new autorates page we might see how balanced they amended rules are , but I can't say I'm very hopeful..

Statistics: Posted by excession — Wed Jun 01, 2005 4:56 pm

]]> 2005-06-01T14:40:46-06:00 2005-06-01T14:40:46-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=3687&p=25146#p25146 <![CDATA[New Autorate]]>
Autorate Rules Begin
Aggression:N
ARI_121CS (-6.6BB)
1550.011.00Aggression Factor - Total is between 0.01 and 1.00
3530.0099.00Went To Showdown % is between 30.00 and 99.00
1122.00Vol. Put Money In Pot % is greater than 22.00
ARI_42SM (-18BB)
451.0029.00Won $ At Showdown % is between 1.00 and 29.00
3115.00Went To Showdown % is greater than 15.00
ARI_73LUA (+6.3BB)
1535.0099.00Vol. Put Money In Pot % is between 35.00 and 99.00
1622.75Aggression Factor - Flop is greater than or equal to 2.75
1721.70Aggression Factor - Turn is greater than or equal to 1.70
1821.70Aggression Factor - River is greater than or equal to 1.70
ARI_64sLUA (+6.3BB)
1522.0035.00Vol. Put Money In Pot % is between 22.00 and 35.00
1622.75Aggression Factor - Flop is greater than or equal to 2.75
1721.70Aggression Factor - Turn is greater than or equal to 1.70
1821.70Aggression Factor - River is greater than or equal to 1.70
ARI_105TUA (+6.3BB)
1322.00Vol. Put Money In Pot % is less than 22.00
1622.75Aggression Factor - Flop is greater than or equal to 2.75
1721.70Aggression Factor - Turn is greater than or equal to 1.70
1821.70Aggression Factor - River is greater than or equal to 1.70
ARI_86LA (+2.9BB)
1535.0099.00Vol. Put Money In Pot % is between 35.00 and 99.00
1621.80Aggression Factor - Flop is greater than or equal to 1.80
1810.10Aggression Factor - River is greater than 0.10
1710.10Aggression Factor - Turn is greater than 0.10
ARI_147sLA (+5.1BB)
1522.0035.00Vol. Put Money In Pot % is between 22.00 and 35.00
1621.80Aggression Factor - Flop is greater than or equal to 1.80
1810.10Aggression Factor - River is greater than 0.10
1710.10Aggression Factor - Turn is greater than 0.10
ARI_158TA (+3.6BB)
1322.00Vol. Put Money In Pot % is less than 22.00
1621.80Aggression Factor - Flop is greater than or equal to 1.80
1810.10Aggression Factor - River is greater than 0.10
1710.10Aggression Factor - Turn is greater than 0.10
ARI_39XL (-15BB)
1555.0099.00Vol. Put Money In Pot % is between 55.00 and 99.00
ARI_510WT (+2.9BB)
351.0013.00Went To Showdown % is between 1.00 and 13.00
ARI_211LP (-9.1BB)
1535.0055.00Vol. Put Money In Pot % is between 35.00 and 55.00
1550.011.30Aggression Factor - Total is between 0.01 and 1.30
ARI_1312sLP (-3BB)
1550.011.30Aggression Factor - Total is between 0.01 and 1.30
1522.0035.00Vol. Put Money In Pot % is between 22.00 and 35.00
ARI_913TP (+0.2BB)
1322.00Vol. Put Money In Pot % is less than 22.00
1550.011.30Aggression Factor - Total is between 0.01 and 1.30
ARI_110Neutral
151.0099.00Vol. Put Money In Pot % is between 1.00 and 99.00
Autorate Rules End

Statistics: Posted by puterguy76 — Wed Jun 01, 2005 2:40 pm

]]> 2005-05-31T14:01:28-06:00 2005-05-31T14:01:28-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=3687&p=24930#p24930 <![CDATA[Excession's new NL autorate rules are great!!]]>
cat923

Statistics: Posted by cat923 — Tue May 31, 2005 2:01 pm

]]> 2005-05-31T03:19:09-06:00 2005-05-31T03:19:09-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=3687&p=24871#p24871 <![CDATA[Excession's new NL autorate rules are great!!]]> Statistics: Posted by Rhound50 — Tue May 31, 2005 3:19 am

]]> 2005-05-30T23:57:01-06:00 2005-05-30T23:57:01-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=3687&p=24854#p24854 <![CDATA[Excession's new NL autorate rules are great!!]]>
Thanks for all of your work on the new NL autorate rules. I used them since May 1st and have had by best month ever!! I played on 5 different sites and was plus on all of them.

cat923

Statistics: Posted by cat923 — Mon May 30, 2005 11:57 pm

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