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Live Poker Forum - Online Poker Forums & Hand Analysis Poker Forum 2005-03-02T12:08:02-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/feed.php?f=24&t=1798&mode 2005-03-02T12:08:02-06:00 2005-03-02T12:08:02-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=1798&p=11015#p11015 <![CDATA[Bottom set]]> Statistics: Posted by Rhound50 — Wed Mar 02, 2005 12:08 pm


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2005-03-02T09:00:28-06:00 2005-03-02T09:00:28-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=1798&p=10981#p10981 <![CDATA[Bottom set]]>
This really abuts the typical issue at hand in Omaha games - people tend to play a two card game and miss the fact that everyone else is playing with four. Even though you are in the SB or BB with these marginal holdings, you need to be careful to go very far with them. You might have the current nuts - but unless you have redraws - you could very well be in rough shape. Also, since someone could have a higher set on you (and this happens quite frequently), it is often right to just be cautious with it.

Hope that helps some.

/d

Statistics: Posted by starstealer — Wed Mar 02, 2005 9:00 am


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2005-03-01T07:26:08-06:00 2005-03-01T07:26:08-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=1798&p=10793#p10793 <![CDATA[Bottom set]]> Statistics: Posted by euri10 — Tue Mar 01, 2005 7:26 am


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2005-02-28T20:13:59-06:00 2005-02-28T20:13:59-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=1798&p=10745#p10745 <![CDATA[Bottom set]]>
In an online game, lead with it and get it straight in the muck as soon as anyone else perks up and makes raises. Be very cautious of basically just about every card that could possibly hit. Small sets play much better in position, so give small pocket pairs no credence whatsoever in the early seats.

Get out of the holdem thinking of bottom set being a good hand. It is a whole world of trouble in PLO. You can win some good pots in the cheap games with it because people will go in with garbage a lot more often, but you should still be very wary of it and back off or even fold it outright to a bet or a raise. As brian says, I would never play this hand if someone has put a raise in, and generally I would fold to a bet with it; certainly, if player one bets pot and I am next to act, I fold my bottom set. You have to either face up to the fact that sometimes you will fold the best hand (with bottom set) OR, if you always play for your stack, that quite often you will put your money in drawing to one out. Folding the best hand is definitely the lesser of two evils so don't think you're passing a monster just because you sometimes muck bottom set.

In the small blind with your set of 4's, I think you should lead out unless there is a very good reason not to do so (an utter goon next to play who will bet and raise with any four, for instance). Once you meet some resistance, then yes, you should lay it down. Sometimes PLO can be tough though, and just because you called when you were dead doesn't necessarily mean you made a horrible play. So take heart in that, and play VERY conservatively with bottom set from now on!

Monk
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Statistics: Posted by Felonius_Monk — Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:13 pm


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2005-02-28T19:51:58-06:00 2005-02-28T19:51:58-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=1798&p=10743#p10743 <![CDATA[Bottom set]]> Statistics: Posted by Rhound50 — Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:51 pm


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2005-02-28T18:33:36-06:00 2005-02-28T18:33:36-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=1798&p=10736#p10736 <![CDATA[Bottom set]]> Statistics: Posted by briachek — Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:33 pm


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2005-02-28T18:22:18-06:00 2005-02-28T18:22:18-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=1798&p=10733#p10733 <![CDATA[Bottom set]]> Statistics: Posted by Rhound50 — Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:22 pm


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2005-02-28T16:50:00-06:00 2005-02-28T16:50:00-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=1798&p=10720#p10720 <![CDATA[Bottom set]]>
If you get raised by anyone but a maniac, its time to fold IMO. If its a maniac, then you are still likely ahead but maybe not by much and it will add to your variance.

For me, the only thing worse than hitting bottom set is hitting trips with a pretty good kicker because you never know exactly where you are and often need to fold to a reraise because they either have the higher kicker or they are full. You often win a small pot or lose a big one.

Statistics: Posted by briachek — Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:50 pm


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2005-02-28T16:15:48-06:00 2005-02-28T16:15:48-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=1798&p=10715#p10715 <![CDATA[Bottom set]]> Statistics: Posted by Rhound50 — Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:15 pm


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