What I'm not sure about with very deep stacks is how it actually plays out. With your hand, I'd be very tempted to flat call and go for the full stack. You then look like a draw, and JJ is going to have to fire the rest of his stack on the turn anyway, particularly having made his club draw.
Hmmm... I dunno, I think you have to be just way over-rolled to play PLO with deep-stacks. I think the call would be the best play, but the result would be losing your whole deep stack.
Statistics: Posted by Aisthesis — Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:12 pm
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Seems to me like button has 3 outs (offsuit 8); K-high flush is dead to runner-runner quads; and JJ has only the one quad out plus the hand he makes, namely runner-runner flush. That gives them collectively maybe 4 outs, with button taking your A away also, plus whatever runner-runner flush is.
My guess is about 80-20 against the field ... (?)
Statistics: Posted by Aisthesis — Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:01 pm
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Well, you obviously played fine in all 3.
PLO tilt is an interesting subject in itself, though. First hand is a pretty horrible one to swallow, as are situations in general where you have a big overlay and get sucked out on for stack. I'd have trouble not tilting there, but it's definitely something to work on. Getting up calmly from that and still playing at near your best is very +EV.
I will say that I can't handle 2 losses for stack in quick succession when I played the hands right. That's also something that I really need to work on, since it's just a fairly frequent occurrence. I mean say you're even 60-40 favorite for stack twice (and I'm definitely not immune to being 60-40 dog for stack either, sometimes worse if the cards hit completely wrong). You're losing both of those 1/5 of the time, and only winning both a little more than 1/3 of the time. Anyhow, after 2 of them, I really have to leave the game for a while and take a breather.
But I still think the ability to take those in stride is a HUGE aspect of being able to handle PLO.
What actually happened in these hands in EV terms was this:
AA hand: You won a bundle.
QQ hand: You won a little bit. On the flop, you're fairly far ahead. On the turn, just barely.
AA vs. AA: You split $1.25 (initial raise plus SB) with BB. But I really don't know how else you can play this hand to this particular action. If you lay down, you just lose your initial .50, and you definitely DON'T want the 3rd player in because he'll likely be actual favorite over two AA hands that can't set. So, I think taking the coinflip for stack over the $1.25 is actually about the only way to go.
One other thing: I have the feeling that in PLO these streaks of when your hands are always working (sets holding up and draws hitting) and when they're never working (sets never holding up and your draws never hitting) are just inherently fairly extreme. They always turn around both ways, but dealing with the downswing phase can be very difficult and frustrating. Actually, the upswing phase can sometimes lead you (or me anyway) to try pursuing draws that are really too thin, basically getting over-confident, and that's no doubt a leak as well, but just less noticeable because they still sometimes hit and it's in the middle of a bunch of big winners, so you still end up with nice-looking sessions.
Statistics: Posted by Aisthesis — Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:52 pm
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Statistics: Posted by Stoneburg — Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:14 pm
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Party Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
7 players
Pre-flop: (7 players) Hero is UTG+1 with
![[Ad]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Ad.gif "The Ace of Diamonds")
![[Ah]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Ah.gif "The Ace of Hearts")
![[6d]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/6d.gif "The Six of Diamonds")
![[Jc]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Jc.gif "The Jack of Clubs")
UTG folds, Hero calls, MP1 raises to $1, 3 folds, BB raises to $3.75, Hero raises to $12.5, MP1 folds, BB raises to $38.75, Hero raises to $65, BB calls all-in $7.2.
Uncalled bets: $19.05 returned to Hero.
Flop:
![[7d]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/7d.gif "The Seven of Diamonds")
![[8c]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/8c.gif "The Eight of Clubs")
![[3s]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/3s.gif "The Three of Spades")
($93.15, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $93.15)Turn:
![[8h]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/8h.gif "The Eight of Hearts")
($93.15, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $93.15)River:
![[5h]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/5h.gif "The Five of Hearts")
($93.15, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $93.15)Results:
Final pot: $93.15
Hero shows Ad Ah 6d Jc
BB shows Kc Ac As 8d
Statistics: Posted by Stoneburg — Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:08 pm
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A few hands later...
Party Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
10 players
Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is UTG with
![[Qs]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Qs.gif "The Queen of Spades")
![[6h]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/6h.gif "The Six of Hearts")
![[Qc]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Qc.gif "The Queen of Clubs")
![[Kd]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Kd.gif "The King of Diamonds")
Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, 2 folds, 2 folds, BB checks.
Flop:
![[Ts]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Ts.gif "The Ten of Spades")
![[7c]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/7c.gif "The Seven of Clubs")
![[Qd]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Qd.gif "The Queen of Diamonds")
($3.25, 6 players)BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets $1.5, MP3 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises to $9.1, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP3 folds.
Turn:
![[5c]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/5c.gif "The Five of Clubs")
($22.95, 2 players)Hero bets $21.85, MP1 raises all-in $31.95, Hero calls.
River:
![[4c]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/4c.gif "The Four of Clubs")
($86.85, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $86.85)Results:
Final pot: $86.85
Hero shows Qs 6h Qc Kd
MP1 shows Js Jc 8s Kc
I was actually thinking "How much do I have to outplay them to win their money?", felt like f-cking Phil Hellmuth.
And the hand after that my top set loses to an 8-high flush. Yeah, those 8 high flushes are money makers, make sure to chase them.
Statistics: Posted by Stoneburg — Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:02 pm
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Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with
![[2d]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/2d.gif "The Two of Diamonds")
UTG raises to $1, 2 folds, Button calls, SB calls, Hero raises to $5, UTG calls, Button calls, SB calls.
Flop:
![[Ac]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Ac.gif "The Ace of Clubs")
![[Jd]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Jd.gif "The Jack of Diamonds")
($20, 4 players)SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, Button is all-in $10.93, SB raises all-in $44.74, Hero calls, UTG calls all-in $15.19.
Turn:
![[6c]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/6c.gif "The Six of Clubs")
($131.34, 1 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $63.72, Sidepot 1: $12.78, Sidepot 2: $54.84)River:
![[3c]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/3c.gif "The Three of Clubs")
($131.34, 1 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $63.72, Sidepot 1: $12.78, Sidepot 2: $54.84)Results:
Final pot: $131.34
SB shows Jh 3d 7c Jc
Hero shows Ad 3s 2d Ah
UTG doesn't show 5s Kd 7h 6d
Button doesn't show Ts 9d 3h As
Ok to tilt?
Statistics: Posted by Stoneburg — Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:39 pm
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