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2007-04-08T12:05:58-06:00 2007-04-08T12:05:58-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=24020&p=225719#p225719 <![CDATA[Unnatural 4 of a kind]]> Statistics: Posted by SCFanatiker — Sun Apr 08, 2007 12:05 pm


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2007-04-07T17:47:24-06:00 2007-04-07T17:47:24-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=24020&p=225619#p225619 <![CDATA[Unnatural 4 of a kind]]>
I was told that I was a very bold for making this call, but it didn't seem like much of a choice. If he has 4 of a kind, fine, move on. Let me know your thoughts.

Hand #40568084-13126 at Manitowoc (Pot Limit Omaha)
Started at 02/Apr/07 22:13:46

ken aces is at seat 0 with $10.56.
diceman369 is at seat 1 with $58.16.
waterkri is at seat 2 with $16.85.
doesnotsleep is at seat 3 with $50.20.
luckyvanessa is at seat 4 with $1.20.
tokner is at seat 5 with $9.73.
procrastnator is at seat 6 with $11.80.
SELF is at seat 7 with $45.48.
Mojo Blue is at seat 8 with $11.53.
Olin_Restwood is at seat 9 with $5.68.
The button is at seat 0.

diceman369 posts the small blind of $.10.
waterkri posts the big blind of $.25.

ken aces: -- -- -- --
diceman369: -- -- -- --
waterkri: -- -- -- --
doesnotsleep: -- -- -- --
luckyvanessa: -- -- -- --
tokner: -- -- -- --
procrastnator: -- -- -- --
SELF : Ad 9s 6d As
Mojo Blue: -- -- -- --
Olin_Restwood: -- -- -- --

Pre-flop:

doesnotsleep raises to $.85. luckyvanessa goes all-in
for $1.20. tokner re-raises to $4.80. procrastnator
folds. SELF calls. Mojo Blue folds.
Olin_Restwood folds. ken aces folds. diceman369
folds. waterkri folds. doesnotsleep calls.

PF I almost re-raise tokner to get him all-in, but decide to call if really bad flop. But, of course, he'll probably push no matter the flop with only $4 left. Anyway, call it is

Flop (board: 7d 3s 7h):

doesnotsleep checks. tokner goes all-in for $4.93.
SELF calls. doesnotsleep calls.

Okay, flop sucks, but still figure him to push any flop. Thankfully, original raiser, doesn't re-raise here.

Turn (board: 7d 3s 7h 7s):

doesnotsleep bets $30.74. SELF calls.

Holding nut boat, and figure any 7 would've pushed harder on the flop, so called fairly quickly. Of course, now that I understand PLO better, maybe a 7 with crap kickers doesn't re-raise on flop due to large pot size. I dunno.

River (board: 7d 3s 7h 7s Td):

doesnotsleep goes all-in for $9.73. SELF goes
all-in for $5.01. doesnotsleep is returned $4.72
(uncalled).

River gives one more hand that can beat me, but $5 into $90 pot, don't even hesitate.

Showdown:

doesnotsleep shows Ts Qs 4d Qd.
doesnotsleep has Qs Qd 7d 7h 7s: full house, sevens full of queens.
luckyvanessa shows 8c Jc Tc 8d.
luckyvanessa has 8c 8d 7d 7h 7s: full house, sevens full of eights.
tokner shows 9d Ac Kc Ks.
tokner has Kc Ks 7d 7h 7s: full house, sevens full of kings.
SELF shows Ad 9s 6d As.
SELF has Ad As 7d 7h 7s: full house, sevens full of aces.


Hand #40568084-13126 Summary:

$3 is raked from a total pot of $102.24.
$.20 is raked from the main pot of $5.15.
$1.02 is raked from side pot #1 of $25.59.
$1.78 is raked from side pot #2 of $71.50.
SELF wins the main pot $4.95 with full house, sevens full of aces.
SELF wins side pot #1 $24.57 with full house, sevens full of aces.
SELF wins side pot #2 $69.72 with full house, sevens full of aces.

So, as I said, many players at the table told me I was bold for making the turn call. Was I? This leads me to my big question -- Natural vs. Unnatural 4 of a kind. How scared should I be that villain holds the case 7? I know if I lose to a Natural 4 of a kind (holding pocket pair) with nut boat, I shouldn't care. But in this case, should I have been more hesitant? Anybody wanna discuss odds and probablilities here? Thanks in advance.[/u][/i]

Statistics: Posted by username_disallowed — Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:47 pm


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