hand 2 - i think its fine with the read you had, a lot of strength was shown and the guy still pushed. Marginal raise pf imo but i don't hate it.
hand 3 - you put him on the draw so he's gonna fold it when he missed. almost always if a made hand came this far, he's gonna call the river too. Just check river. bet bigger on other streets
hand 4 - fine
Statistics: Posted by briachek — Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:11 pm
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you pretty much summed up the main points of the other side of this discussion. i prefer to make people fold than to have them call for value, so i think this is usually a style preference that is impacted by the games one plays in.
sponger
a sponger is somebody who calls a cb with position with the intent of betting out on the turn and/or river (regardless of their holdings) if you don't fire the second and third barrels. these can be tricky players to play against for an aggro player -- you mainly have to value bet and trap when they're in the hand (esp hu), and that is not the nature of most aggro players.
typical player
if this is the typical player, then i'm thinking primarily "make a hand and value bet". if they're going to chase without proper odds and/or call down light, then playing these players is really easy (but boring). you can probably increase your table numbers (screen space permitting) and just play super ABC.
Statistics: Posted by Kuso — Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:07 am
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Hand I have no read on him yet. He calls flop, I think he has a flush draw. He calls turn, I'm damn sure he has a flush draw. Flush hits on the river and he actually checks behind with the 2nd nuts.
$0.1/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
5 players
Converted at
Stacks:
UTG ($26.15)
CO ($25.85)
BTN ($29.25)
Hero ($24.75)
BB ($28.05)
Pre-flop: ($0.35, 5 players) Hero is SB
![[Jh]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Jh.gif "The Jack of Hearts")
[Jc][Td][6d]UTG raises to $0.5 ($25.65), CO calls $0.5 ($25.35), 1 fold, Hero calls $0.4 ($24.25), BB calls $0.25 ($27.55)
47.10% (EV = $0.44)
52.90% (EV = $0.56)Flop:
![[2s]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/2s.gif "The Two of Spades")
[Js][5h] ($2, 4 players)Hero bets $1.5 ($22.75), BB calls $1.5 ($26.05), 2 folds
63.00% (EV = $1.65) 37.00% (EV = $0.35)Turn:
![[Qh]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Qh.gif "The Queen of Hearts")
($5, 2 players)Hero bets $3 ($19.75), BB calls $3 ($23.05)
72.50% (EV = $4.97) 27.50% (EV = $0.03)River:
![[Ks]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Ks.gif "The King of Spades")
($11, 2 players)Hero checks ($19.75), BB checks ($23.05)
0.00% (EV = $0.00) 100.00% (EV = $11.00)Final Pot: $11
Hero shows:
[Jc][Td][6d]BB shows:
![[Ad]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Ad.gif "The Ace of Diamonds")
[4d][Qs][8s]BB wins $10.5 ( won +$5.5 )
Hero lost -$5.00
UTG lost -$0.50
CO lost -$0.50
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Hand 2 This hand takes place just 2 hands later. Considering how pathetically he played the 2nd nut flush in the previous hand, when he immediately pops the re-raise I don't like my hand much at all. I'm pretty sure he has top set, maybe even with a straight draw.
$0.1/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
6 players
Converted at
Stacks:
UTG ($25.35)
UTG+1 ($30.95)
Hero ($25.00)
BTN ($33.45)
SB ($57.95)
BB ($25.65)
Pre-flop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is CO
![[Tc]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Tc.gif "The Ten of Clubs")
[6c][Qh][6h]2 folds, Hero raises to $0.85 ($24.15), BTN calls $0.85 ($32.60), SB calls $0.75 ($57.10), 1 fold
Flop:
![[8s]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/8s.gif "The Eight of Spades")
[6d][3c] ($2.8, 3 players)SB bets $2.25 ($54.85), Hero raises to $6 ($18.15), BTN raises to $22.95 ($9.65), SB folds ($54.85), Hero folds ($18.15)
Final Pot: $17.05
BTN wins $33.2 ( won +$9.4 )
Hero lost -$6.85
SB lost -$3.10
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Hand 3 After the previous hands I feel I know everything I need to know about how he plays and how to exploit him. So here I accurately put him on the flush draw and actually fire 3 barrels. In retrospect I guess I did have some showdown value here and probably should have checked the river. The bet on the river is probably much better if I had nothing, but if he's not raising a set with the nut flush draw on the turn then I'm now positive I made the correct fold in hand 2.
$0.1/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
6 players
Converted at
Stacks:
UTG ($25.70)
UTG+1 ($23.30)
CO ($30.25)
Hero ($24.30)
SB ($45.50)
BB ($54.30)
Pre-flop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is BTN
![[6s]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/6s.gif "The Six of Spades")
[Jc][Ac][Qs]3 folds, Hero raises to $0.85 ($23.45), SB calls $0.75 ($44.65), BB calls $0.6 ($53.45)
59.10% (EV = $0.66)
40.90% (EV = $0.19)Flop:
![[Qc]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Qc.gif "The Queen of Clubs")
[Kh][3h] ($2.55, 3 players)SB checks ($44.65), BB checks ($53.45), Hero bets $2 ($21.45), SB calls $2 ($42.65), BB folds ($53.45)
57.80% (EV = $1.79) 42.20% (EV = $0.76)Turn:
![[2d]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/2d.gif "The Two of Diamonds")
($6.55, 2 players)SB checks ($42.65), Hero bets $4 ($17.45), SB calls $4 ($38.65)
7.50% (EV = -$2.91) 92.50% (EV = $9.46)River:
![[7d]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/7d.gif "The Seven of Diamonds")
($14.55, 2 players)SB checks ($38.65), Hero bets $8 ($9.45), SB calls $8 ($30.65)
0.00% (EV = -$8.00) 100.00% (EV = $22.55)Final Pot: $30.55
Hero shows:
[Jc][Ac][Qs]SB shows:
![[2h]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/2h.gif "The Two of Hearts")
[Ah][6h][2s]SB wins $29.1 ( won +$14.25 )
Hero lost -$14.85
BB lost -$0.85
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Hand 4 I finally got him and this is why I never really feel the need to slowplay in this game. My only regret, being results oriented, is that I didn't make a larger river bet, but I really didn't think he had much. I still can't understand what the hell he's calling on the flop for (a pair + a gutshot?) but what a beautiful turn.
$0.1/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
6 players
Converted at
Stacks:
UTG ($21.85)
UTG+1 ($25.95)
Hero ($23.80)
BTN ($64.50)
SB ($54.55)
BB ($25.35)
Pre-flop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is CO
![[Ah]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Ah.gif "The Ace of Hearts")
[7h][5s][Qs]2 folds, Hero raises to $0.75 ($23.05), BTN calls $0.75 ($63.75), SB calls $0.65 ($53.80), 1 fold
65.40% (EV = $0.89)
34.60% (EV = $0.11)Flop:
![[4d]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/4d.gif "The Four of Diamonds")
[7s][Ac] ($2.5, 3 players)SB checks ($53.80), Hero bets $2 ($21.05), BTN calls $2 ($61.75), SB folds ($53.80)
80.60% (EV = $3.24) 19.40% (EV = -$0.74)Turn:
![[7c]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/7c.gif "The Seven of Clubs")
($6.5, 2 players)Hero bets $4 ($17.05), BTN calls $4 ($57.75)
100.00% (EV = $10.50) 0.00% (EV = -$4.00)River:
![[Js]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Js.gif "The Jack of Spades")
($14.5, 2 players)Hero bets $8.75 ($8.30), BTN calls $8.75 ($49.00)
100.00% (EV = $23.25) 0.00% (EV = -$8.75)Final Pot: $32
Hero shows:
[7h][5s][Qs]BTN shows:
![[5c]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/5c.gif "The Five of Clubs")
[9s][7d][8s]Hero wins $30.45 ( won +$14.95 )
BTN lost -$15.50
SB lost -$0.75
Statistics: Posted by MTPaid — Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:22 pm
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