Statistics: Posted by Felonius_Monk — Tue May 10, 2005 3:04 pm
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Rolf Slotboom
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Statistics: Posted by Rolf Slotboom — Tue May 10, 2005 6:08 am
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the SB had 8T for the nut str8 with
![[Ts]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Ts.gif "The Ten of Spades")
which was one of my nut flush outs. he had no flush draw.the preflop raiser holds the
![[As]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/As.gif "The Ace of Spades")
with that hand AA67 (I don't remember which suit) that blocked again 2 of my outs !So in fact I was drawing dead but with so much money already in the pot I had no hesitation...
With deep money I'm not sure I'm pushing here.
I have another question which is : was my bet on the flop stupid or not ?
Statistics: Posted by euri10 — Tue May 10, 2005 2:05 am
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One thing: With five players in the pot for $18, your pot bet is $90, meaning the pot raise should be $360 total, not $270 total. Either way, you've got $90 in the pot already of your initial $270 or $252 (depending whether you had the $270 at the befinning of the hand or after the flop). So, it is only $180 or $162 more to you in a massive pot, where you have to win significantly less than 25% of the time to still have a positive expectation. And this is the situation: no player *needs* to have the nuts, meaning that your second-highest straight may in fact be winning, any T may still give you a split even if you *are* up against the nuts, your flush draw is probably no good but you do have straight flush outs even if you are up against a bigger flush draw (which is not a certainty, though), you have a backdoor flush that may come in handy and in addition to all this strength you also have top two pair!
In my view, in a hand with extremely deep money, say everyone with over $1,000 or so, you *may* have had a decision to make, holding a non-nut hand in a three-way pot. But here, the only real decision you are facing (at least in my opinion) is whether you should put your chips in with your right hand or your left.
Rolf Slotboom
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Statistics: Posted by Rolf Slotboom — Mon May 09, 2005 10:40 am
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![[7h]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/7h.gif "The Seven of Hearts")
and that the ![[9h]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/9h.gif "The Nine of Hearts")
is actually a ![[9s]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/9s.gif "The Nine of Spades")
....Anyway, I don't like the hand; I can't imagine that you are a moneyfavorite here. Even if a decent player flat calls on this board you have to take the possibility into account that he has the nut straight but wants to see a safe turn card first. The preflop raiser cold calling the raise means that he either has a big wrap 8-J and waits for the turn to become aggressive, or AAxx with the nut flush draw. I'm not sure about the SB, but I bet that right now he has a better hand than you. I think your only hope is that your flush draw is good (or that you hit one of your miracle outs). So, unless I have a very strong read that SB is making a play because he thinks everyone is weak, I'd fold.
Even though the hand looks very nice on the flop, you have to figure that a) a raise will put you in a difficult position for all your chips, where you could be drawing totally dead, and that b) even if you just get one caller, there may be many turncards that can make your life difficult: any flush card leaves you guessing, and a 9 or a T might give someone a higher straight. You also don't want to see the board pair up of course.
In short, both players show considerable strength and interest in the pot. You don't have the nuts and you only have two nut outs, so fold.
I don't know which levels you normally play, but the problem for me would be that I don't know very well how the people there play and how tricky they are. I think that you can only decide to buy in short if you know pretty well what the texture of the game will be like. If you are in unfamiliar territory you are always guessing whether your opponents are testing you, trying to outplay you, or really have you beat.
What was the outcome? Where was this game by the way?
Pieter
Statistics: Posted by Hofstra — Mon May 09, 2005 9:54 am
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I took 2/3 small pots without any importance, without risk so my stack is about 270$ when I'm dealt
![[5h]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/5h.gif "The Five of Hearts")
![[8s]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/8s.gif "The Eight of Spades")
on the button.one limper, MP2 raise it to 18$, I call, SB calls, BB calls and the limper completes.
so we are 5 for a 90$ pot.
and the flop is :
![[6s]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/6s.gif "The Six of Spades")
![[7s]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/7s.gif "The Seven of Spades")
it's checked around, I bet the pot, SB repot (270$), BB folds, limper folds, preflop raiser cold calls the 270$ ( he have with SB a big stack >1200$) and it's my turn.
What do I do with a non-nut str8 / a flush draw but non nut, a str8 flush draw ... ?
Statistics: Posted by euri10 — Mon May 09, 2005 9:28 am
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