For instance, on an AAK flop, trips top kicker (AQ) has no outs against the top boat (AK) whereas if the board flops TT5 and you hold TJQK, at least you have 9 outs to beat someone with T5.
Statistics: Posted by Felonius_Monk — Sun Jul 10, 2005 5:02 am
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However, checking behind on the turn shows weakness, and I think you have to call the river. On the turn, you know that you will call the river, so why not use that money to bet on the turn? If you get raised, obviously you fold. If you get a call, it is likely checked to you on the river and you have the same result. You might also win the pot without showdown. What I like about this line is that it makes your decisions more informed. On the other hand, you don't want to do this if your opponent likes to checkraise.
I find playing trips very hard, especially if I don't know my opponent. Out of position, I am a big chicken and usually check-fold the turn in these situations if I don't have top kicker. In position, I will sometimes check behind and sometimes bet. I don't think you always have to bet the pot. On a board of, say AAK4, you can easily bet 1/2 pot, representing the top boat.
I hope we can discuss this a bit further by looking at various situations. What factors do you take into account? I try to look at
- position
- is the pot raised preflop
- size the board pair and third card
- kicker
- how passive/aggressive is your opponent
- how much money can you lose on the hand
- will you extract anything if you hit your boat
For example, if the pot is raised preflop, you call with AKK3 and the flop comes 233, then against one opponent I don't mind playing for my stack. If the flop would be AAQ then I might take one stab at it but then fold against too much aggression. Also, if the third card is higher than the rank of the pair, I always err on the cautious side.
Finally, what do you think about the following:
1) When two decent players both have trips then the player who is least scared and most aggressive will usually win the pot. Thus you have to play trips aggressively until you meet resistance.
2) It is not a wise idea to invest a lot of money on dangerous trips hands. Better give up a small pot than play a big pot where you don't know where you are.
3) You can make a lot of money when you have a boat and your opponent is overplaying trips. Wait for those situations and avoid being the opponent overplaying trips, even if that involves folding the best hand sometimes.
4) If you only give action on a paired board when you have a boat you make life too easy for your opponents.
Sorry for the rant, but I think this is an important and difficult subject, and I'd like to hear more ideas.
Pieter
Statistics: Posted by Hofstra — Sat Jul 09, 2005 11:45 am
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I think you have to be more scared of AJ than anything else, but there's surely more than a 35% chance he doesn't have that?
Statistics: Posted by Felonius_Monk — Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:38 pm
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I know I opened up the river bluff by checking so he could just have a J but does he have AJ or a boat?
Party Poker Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.5 BB (9 handed)
SB ($37.35)
BB ($53.05)
Hero ($59)
UTG+1 ($49.5)
MP1 ($47)
MP2 ($44.1)
MP3 ($109.78)
CO ($19)
Button ($46.5)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with
![[Jc]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Jc.gif "The Jack of Clubs")
, ![[Ks]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Ks.gif "The King of Spades")
, ![[Td]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Td.gif "The Ten of Diamonds")
, ![[Qd]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Qd.gif "The Queen of Diamonds")
. Hero calls $0.50, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.50, MP2 calls $0.50, 1 fold, CO calls $0.50, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.
Flop: ($3)
![[Jh]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Jh.gif "The Jack of Hearts")
, ![[Js]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Js.gif "The Jack of Spades")
, ![[5h]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/5h.gif "The Five of Hearts")
(6 players)SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $2.85, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO folds, SB calls $2.85, BB folds.
Turn: ($8.70)
![[2d]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/2d.gif "The Two of Diamonds")
(2 players)SB checks, Hero checks.
River: ($8.70)
![[2c]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/2c.gif "The Two of Clubs")
(2 players)SB bets $8.3, Hero folds.
Final Pot: $17
Results in white below:
Outcome: SB wins $17.
Statistics: Posted by briachek — Fri Jul 08, 2005 3:50 pm
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