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forum/viewtopic.php?t=22521
i've got some work to do, but i'll make some comments on this well later.
Statistics: Posted by Kuso — Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:43 am
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here are some comments on the AK v KK hand posted above:
forum/viewtopic.php?t=22523
in retrospect, i should have either folded or pushed on the reraise. normal raise and folding seems right to this specific player... but that's only after i had a much better read. oh, well.
i hate to pimp the forums of the great satan, but there is some great stuff here:
Statistics: Posted by Kuso — Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:25 pm
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anyway, the reason i made this play on this guy is that he had a w$sd of something like 30%, so i figured he was really weak. i'd much prefer to actually have a hand and show it down, but i wanted to see if i could push him off a weak hand.
[edit: note that this is 4-handed without an sb. i was bb and first to act on every street.]
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.125/$0.25
4 players
Stack sizes:
UTG: $14.40
Button: $6.30
SB: $13.15
Kuso: $16.25
Pre-flop: (4 players) Kuso is BB with
![[5c]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/5c.gif "The Five of Clubs")
![[Jh]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Jh.gif "The Jack of Hearts")
UTG folds, Button calls, SB calls, Kuso checks.
Flop:
![[5h]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/5h.gif "The Five of Hearts")
![[7c]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/7c.gif "The Seven of Clubs")
![[Kh]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Kh.gif "The King of Hearts")
($0.75, 3 players)Kuso checks, Button checks, SB bets $0.5, Kuso calls, Button folds.
Turn:
![[2d]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/2d.gif "The Two of Diamonds")
($1.75, 2 players)Kuso checks, SB bets $0.75, Kuso raises to $2.5, SB raises to $10, Kuso folds.
Uncalled bets: $7.5 returned to SB.
Results:
Final pot: $6.75
Statistics: Posted by Kuso — Sun Feb 04, 2007 10:34 am
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******* Hand 4 ********
this was a nice way to get a cs to pay me off. he didn't last long. i really need to find more of these kinds of guys.
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
5 players
Stack sizes:
UTG: $24.75
CO: $33.70
Button: $36
Kuso: $10.45
BB: $32.70
Pre-flop: (5 players) Kuso is SB with
![[Jc]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Jc.gif "The Jack of Clubs")
![[Kd]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Kd.gif "The King of Diamonds")
UTG folds, CO calls, Button folds, Kuso raises to $1, BB folds, CO calls.
Flop:
![[7d]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/7d.gif "The Seven of Diamonds")
![[Js]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Js.gif "The Jack of Spades")
($2.25, 2 players)Kuso bets $2, CO calls.
Turn:
![[8h]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/8h.gif "The Eight of Hearts")
($6.25, 2 players)Kuso bets $4, CO calls.
River:
![[7s]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/7s.gif "The Seven of Spades")
($14.25, 2 players)Kuso is all-in $3.45, CO calls.
Results:
Final pot: $21.15
Kuso showed Jc Kd
CO mucks As Jd
******* Hand 5 ********
this was the maniac from hand 2. this hand was when my read on him solidified (obviously). if i played him now, i'd raise the river, but at the time i wasn't sure if he'd fire three barrels on a thin hand. of course, he wouldn't call here, but he made some really thin call downs against other people.
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
5 players
Stack sizes:
UTG: $16.20
CO: $13.20
Button: $56.35
SB: $24.75
Kuso: $15.60
Pre-flop: (5 players) Kuso is BB with
![[9c]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/9c.gif "The Nine of Clubs")
![[6s]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/6s.gif "The Six of Spades")
UTG calls, CO calls, 2 folds, 2 folds, Kuso checks.
Flop:
![[6c]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/6c.gif "The Six of Clubs")
![[5d]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/5d.gif "The Five of Diamonds")
![[8d]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/8d.gif "The Eight of Diamonds")
($0.85, 3 players)Kuso checks, UTG bets $0.75, CO folds, Kuso calls.
Turn:
![[As]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/As.gif "The Ace of Spades")
($2.35, 2 players)Kuso checks, UTG bets $1.5, Kuso calls.
River:
($5.35, 2 players)Kuso checks, UTG bets $3.75, Kuso calls.
Results:
Final pot: $12.85
Kuso showed 9c 6s
UTG showed Qs Jc
******* Hand 6 ********
this guy always bet small with a weak hand or on a steal. i pwned him like this a few times.
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Stack sizes:
UTG: $45.25
UTG+1: $25
CO: $11.95
Button: $27.15
Kuso: $14.40
BB: $40
Pre-flop: (6 players) Kuso is SB with
![[Ts]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Ts.gif "The Ten of Spades")
4 folds, Kuso calls, BB raises to $0.75, Kuso calls.
Flop:
![[Qs]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Qs.gif "The Queen of Spades")
![[Tc]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Tc.gif "The Ten of Clubs")
![[Ad]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Ad.gif "The Ace of Diamonds")
($1.5, 2 players)Kuso checks, BB bets $1, Kuso raises to $2.5, BB folds.
Uncalled bets: $1.5 returned to Kuso.
Results:
Final pot: $3.5
******* Hand 7 ********
same guy as hand 6 above, same result.
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Stack sizes:
Kuso: $11.90
UTG+1: $24
CO: $2.90
Button: $14.15
SB: $53.70
BB: $25.25
Pre-flop: (6 players) Kuso is UTG with
![[9h]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/9h.gif "The Nine of Hearts")
![[9d]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/9d.gif "The Nine of Diamonds")
Kuso raises to $1.25, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, 2 folds, BB calls.
Flop:
![[Td]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Td.gif "The Ten of Diamonds")
![[Qh]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Qh.gif "The Queen of Hearts")
($3.85, 3 players)BB bets $0.25, Kuso calls, CO folds.
Turn:
![[2c]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/2c.gif "The Two of Clubs")
($4.35, 2 players)BB bets $1, Kuso raises to $3.5, BB folds.
Uncalled bets: $2.5 returned to Kuso.
Results:
Final pot: $6.35
******* Hand 8 ********
this was a classic case of where i think i should have slowplayed. this was a really dry board, and this guy had shown tendencies to be aggressive when checked to. i was hoping that he had a big TP hand or 2pr, but i guess he didn't. thoughts?
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
5 players
Stack sizes:
UTG: $1.65
CO: $14.15
UTG: $45.25
Button: $20.25
Kuso: $17.70
BB: $24
Pre-flop: (5 players) Kuso is SB with
![[9s]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/9s.gif "The Nine of Spades")
2 folds, Button calls, Kuso calls, BB checks.
Flop:
![[2s]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/2s.gif "The Two of Spades")
($0.75, 3 players)Kuso checks, BB bets $0.75, Button folds, Kuso raises to $2.5, BB folds.
Uncalled bets: $1.75 returned to Kuso.
Results:
Final pot: $2.25
Statistics: Posted by Kuso — Sun Feb 04, 2007 8:43 am
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QQ < JJ aipf
AQ < AJ aipf
AK does not improve against KK aipf (see below)
i played a little over 300 hands on full tilt, and the texture of the games was very different. i'm sure it had a lot to do with the fact that it was saturday "night" (late late), but the tables seemed pretty juicy. i was able to 6-table, but my reads suffered greatly, so i reduced it to 4.
i really don't see how people play 8 unless they already have solid reads against a bunch of regulars. the mechanics are easy, but nlhe is so much more of a mind game than a card game, so i can't imagine playing without decent reads.
i think playing on the weekend nights requires a different style. play tighter and let the aggros bluff into you. unlike yesterday, i found that i could check call and get a lot more out of my made hands than if i was aggro.
anyway, i ran about 21/14/2 and lost a buy-in and change.
******* Hand 1 ********
should i get away from this? i think not since lesser aces and lower pocket pairs are often in the mix, but the cap with a deepish stack makes me wonder if i should tread more lightly if i get a read that this guy is solid (i did not have a decent read, yet). keep in mind that these are the 25s.
one thing i noticed in plo8 was that deep stacks didn't push without REALLY big hands, while short- and medium-stacks needed a lot less. same for nlhe?
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
5 players
Stack sizes:
UTG: $0
CO: $64.90
Button: $49.30
Kuso: $14.55
BB: $24.15
Pre-flop: (5 players) Kuso is SB with
CO raises to $1, Button folds, Kuso raises to $3.5, BB folds, CO raises to $16, Kuso calls all-in $11.05.
Uncalled bets: $1.45 returned to CO.
Flop:
![[4d]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/4d.gif "The Four of Diamonds")
![[3c]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/3c.gif "The Three of Clubs")
($30.8, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $29.35, Sidepot 1: $1.45)Turn:
($30.8, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $29.35, Sidepot 1: $1.45)River:
![[Th]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Th.gif "The Ten of Hearts")
($30.8, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $29.35, Sidepot 1: $1.45)Results:
Final pot: $30.8
CO showed Ks Kh
Kuso showed As Kd
******* Hand 2 ********
this guy was running over the table, so i just decided to play back. i assume he hit. once i figured out his style, i just check-called him and let him bluff off his chips -- the scarier the scare card, the more he liked to bluff.
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Stack sizes:
UTG: $48.10
UTG+1: $24.50
CO: $13.25
Button: $27.25
Kuso: $17.10
BB: $31.95
Pre-flop: (6 players) Kuso is SB with
4 folds, Kuso calls, BB raises to $0.75, Kuso raises to $2.4, BB calls.
Flop:
![[Ks]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Ks.gif "The King of Spades")
![[3s]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/3s.gif "The Three of Spades")
($4.8, 2 players)Kuso bets $3, BB calls.
Turn:
($10.8, 2 players)Kuso checks, BB bets $12, Kuso folds.
Uncalled bets: $12 returned to BB.
Results:
Final pot: $10.8
******* Hand 3 ********
i had been run down before this hand, so i was really low. i should have pushed the flop (cat was crawling in my lap, so i forgot my stack size), but i doubt the result would have been different. the turn call was about break even in terms of EV (i'll run twodimes in a sec), but with the small stack size, i was willing to put it in.
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
4 players
Stack sizes:
UTG: $24.40
Button: $13.50
Kuso: $31.95
UTG: $48.1
SB: $42.10
Kuso: $5
Pre-flop: (4 players) Kuso is BB with
![[7h]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/7h.gif "The Seven of Hearts")
UTG folds, Button calls, SB calls, Kuso checks.
Flop:
![[3d]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/3d.gif "The Three of Diamonds")
($0.75, 3 players)SB bets $2, Kuso calls, Button calls.
Turn:
![[8s]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/8s.gif "The Eight of Spades")
($6.75, 3 players)SB bets $6.75, Kuso calls all-in $2.75, Button raises all-in $11.25, SB calls.
River:
($32, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $15, Sidepot 1: $17)Results:
Final pot: $32
SB showed Kh 8h
Kuso showed 6s 7h
Button showed Jc 8c
more to come...
Statistics: Posted by Kuso — Sun Feb 04, 2007 8:30 am
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the QT hands has some interesting poker baggage in it. in the omaha games, a flop raise would almost always kill the action unless you're tied, so you slowplay hoping to induce a semi-bluff from a set or 2pr on the turn -- a raise would kill the action. in HE, i can see betting out much more often since a raise is not necessarily the nuts. as for the raise, i normally wouldn't raise this kind of hand for "value", but this particular table was so freaking tight, i was raising just about every hand i would play and then taking it down on the flop with a CB. if they called the CB when i whiffed it meant they had a hand 90% of the time or more, so i was usually done with the hand unless i somehow caught up.
i love the comments on my "gross" and "bad bad and worse" hands... these kinds of comments help me focus on not making the same mistakes again.
as for the TT hand, i was kind of right that he was FoS since he did have a pretty weak hand (what exactly did he think he was beating here?), but these players can't fold weak hands like this, so....
i think i just need to wait for decent hands and stack them that way. this is precisely the kind of "intuition" i'm looking to develop at the 25s. i imagine that things will change as i move up, but the 25s are the foundation of donkiness, so it's best to learn from the worst, imo.Statistics: Posted by Kuso — Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:53 pm
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