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Live Poker Forum - Online Poker Forums & Hand Analysis Poker Forum 2006-07-15T10:25:18-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/feed.php?f=5&t=15961&mode 2006-07-15T10:25:18-06:00 2006-07-15T10:25:18-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15961&p=138271#p138271 <![CDATA[Loose raiser]]>
If Im on the left and LAG raises and I reraise with KQ, most people are laying down 66 so I dont have to worry about a set in this case very often.

if Im on the right and I limp with KQ, then LAG raises..MP calls with 66, I reraise, LAG calls...66 is calling also most of the time (depending on stack sizes). And if dont hit TP, the pot is now monsterous because theres another guy o2 even 2 in the hand so I cant even CB to take it away from the LAG who probably has nothing just like me.

Statistics: Posted by iceman5 — Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:25 am


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2006-07-15T10:15:01-06:00 2006-07-15T10:15:01-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15961&p=138266#p138266 <![CDATA[Loose raiser]]>
You have KQ in MP (raiser to your left) and limp, raiser raises, 1 caller. Now even I will limp re-raise. What I don't like about being to his left in this situation is that I'm re-raising into a field of 7 other players with completely unknown hands and who certainly aren't laying down AK here, probably not AQ, etc.

In the scenario outlined, I'll probably still just flat call if there are more than 2 other limpers simply because a lot of players try to trap on big hands with position, and I again don't mind getting involved with the raiser but am worried about the rest of the table.

So, let's take KQ with a few more players seeing the flop, and I flat call to raiser's right. Flop comes K64 or whatever. Now, if raiser will frequently CB, I check. Raiser bets. Ok, now if someone else raises that bet, I just quietly fold here (I figure the minimum hand they'll have is a split pot with me, and I lose to everything else). But if the rest of the table folds or we even maybe have 1 flat caller, I'll check-raise.

What this does is get your AK (or AQ on a Q-high board) question marks out of the way by USING the raiser to find out if anyone else has a hand.

Statistics: Posted by Aisthesis — Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:15 am


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2006-07-15T08:51:41-06:00 2006-07-15T08:51:41-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15961&p=138254#p138254 <![CDATA[Loose raiser]]> Statistics: Posted by iceman5 — Sat Jul 15, 2006 8:51 am


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2006-07-15T04:45:40-06:00 2006-07-15T04:45:40-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15961&p=138218#p138218 <![CDATA[Loose raiser]]> Statistics: Posted by Aisthesis — Sat Jul 15, 2006 4:45 am


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2006-07-14T18:03:47-06:00 2006-07-14T18:03:47-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15961&p=138116#p138116 <![CDATA[Loose raiser]]>
Loose-Aggressive Players (LAP)

Most discussions of position and styles focus primarily on LAP because they have so much impact on your results and emotions.

Your position relative to LAP, especially the most extreme ones (Maniacs), is even more important in NL than in limit.

In limit sit to their immediate left so they act before you do. Generally, you want to be to the left of loose players, whether they are aggressive or passive. You can raise and isolate them to exploit their tendency to play weak hands.

You want LAP to raise before you act, not afterwards. If you acted first, you may put in one bet, then another with a hand that you would not willingly play for two bets.

However, if someone is predictably loose-aggressive, sit to his right. That predictability can come from two factors:

• Being an utter Maniac who raises nearly every hand

• Telegraphing when he will fold, check, bet, or raise

Because many LAP — particularly Maniacs — lack patience and self-control, they often telegraph their intentions. In fact, they will occasionally act out of turn. You can fold marginal hands and check-raise and slow-play your strong ones.

In NL your decision is more complicated because the size of the bets and raises is so important. You need to win only a few large pots, and nobody builds bigger pots than a LAP, especially a Maniac. You therefore want to be to the immediate right of a LAP who frequently makes very large bets and raises, even if he is not a complete Maniac who raises all the time.

You can check or just call with big hands, hoping he will make a move, which will drive the rest of the table into you. They will often overplay their hands because they don’t respect his bets and reraises. Of course, you may slow-play, but be disappointed: He may just fold, check, or call. But you take that chance any time you slow-play, and he is more likely than anyone else to make a large bet.

If you do it many times, and he makes a move only a few times, but traps one or two others, they may be too pot-committed to get away from their hands when you make a large raise. In fact, they may have pushed all in before you have a chance to act.

Your chances of winning a monster pot go way up.

In addition, if you sit to the left of a Maniac, some other players — especially the better ones — will slow-play into him, then trap you between them. You may overplay a hand because you don’t respect the LAP’s bets or raises, but then find someone to his right pushing all in.

Finally, you will be last when he bluffs, and he may bluff very frequently. If you are to his left and suspect a bluff, but have someone behind you, you can’t call with a marginal hand. You would hate to snap off his bluff, but have someone overcall.

The only serious downside to sitting to his right is that you will often be raised when you want to play cheaply. For example, if you limp with pocket fours, hoping to get multi-way action, he may raise too much, knock out everyone else, and ruin the odds for you. This risk is much less important then the preceding advantages.

The bottom line is that you should sit to the left of LAP in limit, but to their right in NL.

Statistics: Posted by Danhdan — Fri Jul 14, 2006 6:03 pm


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2006-07-14T15:13:24-06:00 2006-07-14T15:13:24-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15961&p=138050#p138050 <![CDATA[Loose raiser]]> Statistics: Posted by T-Rod — Fri Jul 14, 2006 3:13 pm


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2006-07-14T14:07:54-06:00 2006-07-14T14:07:54-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15961&p=138035#p138035 <![CDATA[Loose raiser]]> Statistics: Posted by Aisthesis — Fri Jul 14, 2006 2:07 pm


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2006-07-14T06:09:05-06:00 2006-07-14T06:09:05-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15961&p=137914#p137914 <![CDATA[Loose raiser]]> Statistics: Posted by Jarren — Fri Jul 14, 2006 6:09 am


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2006-07-13T21:40:42-06:00 2006-07-13T21:40:42-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15961&p=137813#p137813 <![CDATA[Loose raiser]]> Statistics: Posted by shobute — Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:40 pm


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2006-07-13T21:01:27-06:00 2006-07-13T21:01:27-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15961&p=137806#p137806 <![CDATA[Loose raiser]]>
And it should be a losing strategy limping with KQ in MP in cases where it is often multi-way. I feel sure that my limped KQ in MP is a winner in multi-way pots.

It just seems to me like you guys are forgetting too much about the rest of the table, which is the main reason I was looking at dominating hands. If you play KQ, you definitely DON'T want to hit your K vs. AK or your Q vs. AQ because it costs too much before you can get away from it. And in this situation, very few, if any, of the other players would lay down AK to a re-raise, and a lot would even play AQ, I'm pretty sure.

Statistics: Posted by Aisthesis — Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:01 pm


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2006-07-13T18:03:10-06:00 2006-07-13T18:03:10-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15961&p=137755#p137755 <![CDATA[Loose raiser]]> Statistics: Posted by iceman5 — Thu Jul 13, 2006 6:03 pm


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2006-07-13T13:39:19-06:00 2006-07-13T13:39:19-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15961&p=137682#p137682 <![CDATA[Loose raiser]]> Statistics: Posted by Jarren — Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:39 pm


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2006-07-13T13:37:09-06:00 2006-07-13T13:37:09-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15961&p=137680#p137680 <![CDATA[Loose raiser]]> Statistics: Posted by Aisthesis — Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:37 pm


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2006-07-13T12:24:37-06:00 2006-07-13T12:24:37-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15961&p=137663#p137663 <![CDATA[Loose raiser]]> Statistics: Posted by kennyg — Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:24 pm


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2006-07-13T05:59:40-06:00 2006-07-13T05:59:40-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15961&p=137602#p137602 <![CDATA[Loose raiser]]> Statistics: Posted by Zmej — Thu Jul 13, 2006 5:59 am


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