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Live Poker Forum - Online Poker Forums & Hand Analysis Poker Forum 2006-07-19T03:37:39-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/feed.php?f=5&t=16095&mode 2006-07-19T03:37:39-06:00 2006-07-19T03:37:39-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16095&p=139487#p139487 <![CDATA[Shortstack strategy revisited - JJ UTG]]> Statistics: Posted by Xaston — Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:37 am


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2006-07-19T03:08:25-06:00 2006-07-19T03:08:25-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16095&p=139482#p139482 <![CDATA[Shortstack strategy revisited - JJ UTG]]>
The variance in full-ring is roughly half when I play short-stacked. With a full stack mine is 36PTBB/100, with a short-stack it is around 20. This means that I can play higher limits than with a full stack (I do not do it but this would be possible) and it is less stressful.

For someone with >10 PTBB/100 it does not make sense to go to a short-stack strategy, since you make a lot less money. But I would bet here are some guys who do not reach these 10PTBB :wink:

MHFlush

Statistics: Posted by MHFlush — Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:08 am


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2006-07-18T09:17:12-06:00 2006-07-18T09:17:12-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16095&p=139214#p139214 <![CDATA[Shortstack strategy revisited - JJ UTG]]> Statistics: Posted by zim — Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:17 am


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2006-07-18T09:05:18-06:00 2006-07-18T09:05:18-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16095&p=139209#p139209 <![CDATA[Shortstack strategy revisited - JJ UTG]]> Statistics: Posted by Allstar7 — Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:05 am


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2006-07-18T09:02:11-06:00 2006-07-18T09:02:11-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16095&p=139208#p139208 <![CDATA[Shortstack strategy revisited - JJ UTG]]> I hear ya Zim. The thing is, the way you describe it, I'd rather do something else with my time.

Sometimes, Allstar ... so do I.

:?

Best,
Zim

Statistics: Posted by zim — Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:02 am


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2006-07-18T09:00:27-06:00 2006-07-18T09:00:27-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16095&p=139206#p139206 <![CDATA[Shortstack strategy revisited - JJ UTG]]> Statistics: Posted by Allstar7 — Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:00 am


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2006-07-18T08:56:25-06:00 2006-07-18T08:56:25-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16095&p=139204#p139204 <![CDATA[Shortstack strategy revisited - JJ UTG]]> Statistics: Posted by gsdavid — Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:56 am


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2006-07-18T08:46:53-06:00 2006-07-18T08:46:53-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16095&p=139200#p139200 <![CDATA[Shortstack strategy revisited - JJ UTG]]> Statistics: Posted by Allstar7 — Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:46 am


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2006-07-18T08:42:30-06:00 2006-07-18T08:42:30-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16095&p=139199#p139199 <![CDATA[Shortstack strategy revisited - JJ UTG]]> Statistics: Posted by zim — Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:42 am


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2006-07-18T08:16:48-06:00 2006-07-18T08:16:48-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16095&p=139187#p139187 <![CDATA[Shortstack strategy revisited - JJ UTG]]>
So far it is actually making more money than my normal win/rate, especially at these super rocky tables. At one time yesterday the *highest* average vpip was somewhere below 25% and one table was at 16%, not exactly my favorite setting, this strategy however should be working without table selection.

Statistics: Posted by Stoneburg — Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:16 am


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2006-07-18T07:44:00-06:00 2006-07-18T07:44:00-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16095&p=139165#p139165 <![CDATA[Shortstack strategy revisited - JJ UTG]]> Statistics: Posted by Allstar7 — Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:44 am


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2006-07-18T07:36:00-06:00 2006-07-18T07:36:00-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16095&p=139163#p139163 <![CDATA[Shortstack strategy revisited - JJ UTG]]> Statistics: Posted by Stoneburg — Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:36 am


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2006-07-18T00:49:46-06:00 2006-07-18T00:49:46-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16095&p=139093#p139093 <![CDATA[Shortstack strategy revisited - JJ UTG]]> Statistics: Posted by MHFlush — Tue Jul 18, 2006 12:49 am


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2006-07-17T19:40:11-06:00 2006-07-17T19:40:11-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16095&p=138996#p138996 <![CDATA[Shortstack strategy revisited - JJ UTG]]>
I think Ed's book talks about a real shallow stack of only 10 BB's. Some sites require 20 bets and now you still have some bets left in your stack when you take a flop.

We were discussing this strategy today at work as my co-worker plays it while trying to win bonus money.

Statistics: Posted by SNGfan — Mon Jul 17, 2006 7:40 pm


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2006-07-17T19:26:49-06:00 2006-07-17T19:26:49-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16095&p=138995#p138995 <![CDATA[Shortstack strategy revisited - JJ UTG]]>
JJ UTG
I'm not sure it is profitable to push JJ when UTG. Assuming people play perfectly against you (ie: calling with AA-QQ and folding everything else). It's 0.6% chance to get AA, so with ONE player left to act he'd have a 1.8% chance of having a better hand than you, but with 9 players I figure the chance of nobody having a better hand would be only about 85%. So assuming they play perfect you increase your stack with 1.5bb 85% of the time but on average lose 11.7bb the other 15% of the time, making it a -1.3bb EV move against perfect players.

Obviously this is incredibly simplified. It doesn't consider multiway pots, the fact that you could get called by inferior hands etc. I have however been doing different calculations and considering other things and I still end up on the fence, does anyone have any theories or enough of a sample size to shed some light on this? It seems like most people advocate pushing it.

Statistics: Posted by Stoneburg — Mon Jul 17, 2006 7:26 pm


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