I guess a better way to phrase my intended question was.....
Assuming that the other players haven't lost their minds (which may very well be the case in this game), when 4 players show aggression on this flop after you have already bet, and you have to make a rather quick decision, how do you decide how many of your outs to discout?
At first I thought someone had a better heart draw than me, then remembered where I was and thought I was up against either the A or K of hearts, possibly even a smaller flush draw, possibly JK, or with these players it may even be possible (although still unlikely) that someone had AK and only called. Then you have to factor in that there will be at least 1 sidepot as well and maybe 2. In the end I realized that I didn't have enough time to go through all of the possibilites and decided that just pusing was my best option against 3 others. 2dimes.net confirmed this with over 1/3rd pot equity.
Statistics: Posted by MTPaid — Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:02 pm
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Obviously all the money is going in the middle at some point in this hand. Do you wait or play like I did since there was no fold equity in these games? Usually these players are all idiots, but except for the PFR'er (SB), who royally screwed up this hand the whole way, nobody else really played that terribly after the flop. (Typical DR hand where everyone seems to get a nice piece of the flop.)
Accidental Family 10474717-7019 Holdem No Limit $0.02/$0.04
[Jul 26 23:27:31] : Hand Start.
[Jul 26 23:27:31] : Seat 1 : peteboy2 has $2.10
[Jul 26 23:27:31] : Seat 2 : cokedrinker has $3.10
[Jul 26 23:27:31] : Seat 3 : daveyshaw has $0.40
[Jul 26 23:27:31] : Seat 4 : flushflop has $8.56
[Jul 26 23:27:31] : Seat 5 : MTPaid has $6.64
[Jul 26 23:27:31] : Seat 6 : mikethegod has $12.85
[Jul 26 23:27:31] : Seat 7 : Valley Lily has $0.35
[Jul 26 23:27:31] : Seat 8 : blacky83 has $2.09
[Jul 26 23:27:31] : Seat 9 : cowpen has $2.95
[Jul 26 23:27:31] : cowpen is the dealer.
[Jul 26 23:27:32] : peteboy2 posted small blind.
[Jul 26 23:27:32] : cokedrinker posted big blind.
[Jul 26 23:27:34] : daveyshaw posted big blind.
[Jul 26 23:27:34] : Game [7019] started with 9 players.
[Jul 26 23:27:34] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Jul 26 23:27:34] : Seat 5 : MTPaid has
![[9h]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/9h.gif "The Nine of Hearts")
[8h][Jul 26 23:27:36] : daveyshaw checked.
[Jul 26 23:27:37] : flushflop folded.
[Jul 26 23:27:38] : MTPaid called $0.04
[Jul 26 23:27:41] : mikethegod called $0.04
[Jul 26 23:27:42] : Valley Lily called $0.04
[Jul 26 23:27:42] : blacky83 called $0.04
[Jul 26 23:27:42] : cowpen called $0.04
[Jul 26 23:27:47] : peteboy2 called $0.02 and raised $0.04
[Jul 26 23:27:51] : cokedrinker called $0.04
[Jul 26 23:27:53] : daveyshaw called $0.04
[Jul 26 23:27:55] : MTPaid called $0.04
[Jul 26 23:28:00] : mikethegod called $0.04
[Jul 26 23:28:03] : Valley Lily called $0.04
[Jul 26 23:28:07] : mikethegod : see y irish man
[Jul 26 23:28:08] : blacky83 called $0.04
[Jul 26 23:28:09] : cowpen called $0.04
[Jul 26 23:28:10] : Dealing flop. (Pot = $.64)
[Jul 26 23:28:10] : Board cards
![[7h]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/7h.gif "The Seven of Hearts")
[Qh][Tc][Jul 26 23:28:12] : cokedrinker : good luck
[Jul 26 23:28:13] : peteboy2 checked.
[Jul 26 23:28:22] : mikethegod : thx
[Jul 26 23:28:22] : cokedrinker checked.
[Jul 26 23:28:25] : daveyshaw checked.
[Jul 26 23:28:28] : MTPaid bet $0.32
[Jul 26 23:28:32] : mikethegod folded.
[Jul 26 23:28:34] : Valley Lily called $0.27 and is All-in
[Jul 26 23:28:46] : blacky83 called $0.32 and raised $0.32
[Jul 26 23:28:49] : cowpen called $0.64
[Jul 26 23:28:52] : peteboy2 called $0.64
[Jul 26 23:28:53] : cokedrinker folded.
[Jul 26 23:28:54] : daveyshaw folded.
[Jul 26 23:28:56] : MTPaid called $0.32 and raised $5.92 and is All-in
[Jul 26 23:28:59] : blacky83 called $1.37 and is All-in
[Jul 26 23:29:03] : cowpen folded.
[Jul 26 23:29:05] : peteboy2 called $1.38 and is All-in
[Jul 26 23:29:06] : Showdown!
[Jul 26 23:29:06] : Seat 5 : MTPaid has
[8h][Jul 26 23:29:08] : Seat 1 : peteboy2 has
![[Jd]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Jd.gif "The Jack of Diamonds")
[Jc][Jul 26 23:29:08] : Seat 7 : Valley Lily has
![[9d]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/9d.gif "The Nine of Diamonds")
[8c][Jul 26 23:29:08] : Seat 8 : blacky83 has
![[7d]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/7d.gif "The Seven of Diamonds")
[Qd][Jul 26 23:29:14] : Board cards
[Qh][Tc][Ad][7c][Jul 26 23:29:14] : Seat 5 : MTPaid has
[8h][Jul 26 23:29:14] : MTPaid has Pair: 7s
[Jul 26 23:29:14] : Seat 1 : peteboy2 has
[Jc][Jul 26 23:29:14] : peteboy2 has Two Pair: Jacks and 7s
[Jul 26 23:29:14] : peteboy2 wins $0.02 with Two Pair: Jacks and 7s
[Jul 26 23:29:14] : Seat 8 : blacky83 has
[Qd][Jul 26 23:29:14] : blacky83 has Full House : 7s full of Queens
[Jul 26 23:29:14] : blacky83 wins $5.30 with Full House : 7s full of Queens
[Jul 26 23:29:14] : Seat 7 : Valley Lily has
[8c][Jul 26 23:29:14] : Valley Lily has Pair: 7s
[Jul 26 23:29:14] : blacky83 wins $1.90 with Full House : 7s full of Queens
[Jul 26 23:29:28] : Hand is over.
Do you count all of your outs as good? I actually thought my flush draw may be in trouble, but suprisingly nobody had even 1 heart. It was actually my straight draw that was a mess. How much does your play change if you know that 3 of your outs are gone (2J's and a 7) and you are only drawing for about 3/4 of the pot for the straight (other straight draw is short stack)?
Statistics: Posted by MTPaid — Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:04 pm
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