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Live Poker Forum - Online Poker Forums & Hand Analysis Poker Forum 2006-09-25T09:42:53-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/feed.php?f=5&t=18227&mode 2006-09-25T09:42:53-06:00 2006-09-25T09:42:53-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=18227&p=161807#p161807 <![CDATA[Losing lots of money with KK.]]> Statistics: Posted by k3nt — Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:42 am

]]> 2006-09-25T07:34:31-06:00 2006-09-25T07:34:31-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=18227&p=161765#p161765 <![CDATA[Losing lots of money with KK.]]> Statistics: Posted by Pozzo — Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:34 am

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When I see someone that's 13/2 I give them action too. I actually think it's even easier playing them because I feel like I almost know what they have, even at the lower levels. If I don't flop more than a pair I drop it. They are always going to win the minimum from me while I will often take there stack. I will even call a slightly larger than normal sized raise from them sometimes because I'm so sure I'm getting there stack if I hit. I find it much harder to play against someone that is low 20's/7 to 10. Hopefully that made sense.

Statistics: Posted by MTPaid — Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:05 am

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Who said that?? Dont get me wrong. My last database has more than 60K hads and shows me as a 4PTBB/100 winner. That is not huge but it is way more than what most players can show. I am always willing to change things in my game. I decided to tighte up because I wanted to start playing lots of tables and I was certainly unable to keep the pace playing my standard 17/3.5 game. I am now a 12-13/2 and i still get lots of action. Even when I raise preflop. Oposition on these stakes is sometimes overestimated. "You wont get any action if you only raise premium hands" is about the biggest lie I have ever heard. More than 80K hands proved that to me.

I believe a very high winrate can be achieved in NL$100 with a very low VP$IP. "Less than ideal" VP$IP. I have learned and seen many things in this year and a half playing poker and one of those things is very good players trying to match their numbers to the "ideal/optimal" point. OBSESSING about those "ideal" numbers. That is a mistake. That is a recipe for disaster. We have tools like PT that are there to show us where the real leaks are. As you find them and work on solving them you become a better player. If I raise AA-JJ/AK and get plenty of action, I might leave some EV by not raising TT and 99 but probably it is OK if I feel the variance is not worth the EV I am losing.

As for what I want from poker, as i said in my journal, I want to give myself a shot at higher games as my expertise and BR allow, but if for some reason I need to stay at NL$100 being a 4.5PTBB/100hands winner, that is OK for me. I wont complain.

Statistics: Posted by AlexMR — Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:10 am

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If you're just trying to bonus whore and want to be a grinder, making an unoptimal play because your attention is better elsewhere or set-mining is fine. It won't, however, help you become a better poker player and potentially allow you to make more money.

Figure out what you want from poker. Also I don't know your current financial situation, but having to make a certain amouont of money in a certain amount of time is a recipe for disaster. You can't force good cards to come.

Statistics: Posted by DoctorHandles — Mon Sep 25, 2006 12:40 am

]]> 2006-09-24T23:21:25-06:00 2006-09-24T23:21:25-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=18227&p=161668#p161668 <![CDATA[Losing lots of money with KK.]]> Statistics: Posted by ua1176 — Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:21 pm

]]> 2006-09-24T23:14:34-06:00 2006-09-24T23:14:34-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=18227&p=161665#p161665 <![CDATA[Losing lots of money with KK.]]>
I just cant believe what is happening to me and the consistency that keeps happening. I know that most people would've quit before all this happen to them. I keep asking myself when the numbers are going to even out because I am just getting the bad side over and over. I was checking my PT stats for the last 40K hands and with my MId/small pocket pairs I am only hitting a set once in 13.2 attempts which is way below the statistical 1 in about 9 attempts.

I really think I have been playing very well. But there is nothing I can do. Maybe stop pushing and calling all ins with KK preflop? Do you think it is -EV not to do it? I cant remember the last time I was called or when I called an all in preflop with KK that it wasnt against AA. Seriously. I just cant remember. If you check my journal you will find an insane amount of those hands, and I remember a post back in nov/december 2005 when I was saying something about how rare the KK vs. AA situation is, because in a whole year playing probably 150K hands, I hadnt been dealt KK vs. AA more than 2 times.

BTW, I am i a 16-17buy in downswing. I hit one of -11buy ins this just two months ago. I am feeling so frustrated I cant even describe it. I feel like quitting but I know I wont do it. Not while I have 40buy ins to play NL$50. This is brutal. I have the worst luck ever. Period. ...and I dont even believe in luck.

Only today, I lost four buy ins, after losing the 5 big pots I played. I lost full stacks with three sets, a str8 vs. trips all in on turn and the KK vs. AA hand.

Well, the whole point of this post was to ask if you think at NL$100 is a bad idea to call ALL INS with KK or push ALL in with it. I honestly cant remember the last tme anything other than AA called me, as I said. I know it used to be -EV to fold KK preflop except with the most solid read, now i feel is the other way around...

Statistics: Posted by AlexMR — Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:14 pm

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