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Live Poker Forum - Online Poker Forums & Hand Analysis Poker Forum 2007-01-24T07:40:10-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/feed.php?f=5&t=22094&mode 2007-01-24T07:40:10-06:00 2007-01-24T07:40:10-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=22094&p=205069#p205069 <![CDATA[more on the 4-bet bluff. stop jamming it.]]> If I raise with A3s for example and then you 3 bet me. If I 4 bet you to $200 and you push, I have to fold my A3s and I lost 1/3 of a buy in.

If you flat call me, what am I gonna do? Shove any flop? Im OOP with only a pot sized bet left.


Well if you are in for half a pot pre-flop it seems to me that shoving first to act is exactly the correct thing to do.

This is one of the reasons I rarely 3 bet even with position - the more I escalate the pot towards either of use being pot-committed early the more I lose positional advantage and the less I can win by outplaying villain post-flop.

In or out of position I'm quite happy to let the villain have the last word pre-flop if it means I can count on him betting the pot on the flop because he feels he has the vig and 'has to bet'. OOP on the flop I will check to raiser with anything other than a good draw or monster (set) usually.

If they are the PFR and I have cold called in position they seem to fire a CB almost all the time.

I've kept the pot small pre-flop and can let it go - if I have hit or smell weakness I am in a good position to extract decent money.

Obviously I will often 3 bet premium hands in LP (or OOP limp-push them) - here I'm talking about the range outside AA-QQ and AK.

Statistics: Posted by excession — Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:40 am

]]> 2007-01-24T06:54:45-06:00 2007-01-24T06:54:45-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=22094&p=205056#p205056 <![CDATA[more on the 4-bet bluff. stop jamming it.]]> Statistics: Posted by iceman5 — Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:54 am

]]> 2007-01-24T06:16:22-06:00 2007-01-24T06:16:22-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=22094&p=205054#p205054 <![CDATA[more on the 4-bet bluff. stop jamming it.]]> Statistics: Posted by tinodwg — Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:16 am

]]> 2007-01-23T12:54:13-06:00 2007-01-23T12:54:13-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=22094&p=204748#p204748 <![CDATA[more on the 4-bet bluff. stop jamming it.]]> Statistics: Posted by iceman5 — Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:54 pm

]]> 2007-01-22T18:51:29-06:00 2007-01-22T18:51:29-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=22094&p=204468#p204468 <![CDATA[more on the 4-bet bluff. stop jamming it.]]> Statistics: Posted by SinkRox — Mon Jan 22, 2007 6:51 pm

]]> 2007-01-22T18:42:57-06:00 2007-01-22T18:42:57-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=22094&p=204461#p204461 <![CDATA[more on the 4-bet bluff. stop jamming it.]]> Statistics: Posted by Stelvask — Mon Jan 22, 2007 6:42 pm

]]> 2007-01-22T16:16:14-06:00 2007-01-22T16:16:14-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=22094&p=204397#p204397 <![CDATA[more on the 4-bet bluff. stop jamming it.]]>
So people who 3bet alot with 77+, AJo+ and random junk rarely aswell.

EG LP opens for 3.5x BB, we're OOP in the BB with 88. There's not much ppoint in calling for set value here against someone who raises alot preflop (we have little implied odds) so we 3bet him light to 12x BB now he doesnt really have odds to call for set and if he calls with AQ+ we take the pot alot on the flop. You basically take the initiative which is alot of +EV.

Statistics: Posted by SinkRox — Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:16 pm

]]> 2007-01-22T16:09:55-06:00 2007-01-22T16:09:55-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=22094&p=204394#p204394 <![CDATA[more on the 4-bet bluff. stop jamming it.]]> Statistics: Posted by KaiserSosa — Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:09 pm

]]> 2007-01-22T16:11:05-06:00 2007-01-22T16:04:25-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=22094&p=204391#p204391 <![CDATA[more on the 4-bet bluff. stop jamming it.]]> Edit: dont ask me why, i dont know the maths, but its the consensus at 2p2

Ive been 3-betting very light lately at 100nl 6max, its very addictive, and quite easy considering there's nto many other light 3-bettors or light 4-bet shovers. But at your stacks it would probably deffinatly require alot of thought and adjustment to these players.

From what Ive read I know of two routes to take...

4-bet shove the light 3-bettors with a wide range (that should obv be +ev vs theirs) e.g. A7s+ and AKo, JJ+ against the real light 3bettors.

Advantages: Negates any post flop play. Villans may lay off 3betting so light (in which case you may need to switch strats)

Dissadvantages: Maybe high varience? And you'll need spot on reads to do this (lots of player stats).

OR

Never 4-bet any hands, and consequently play lots of big pots OOP.

Probably best to try both styles. I think one of CR members played 10k hands 4bet shoving light and noted hsi results and thoughts (pretty good results).

If you get both styles down then you can switch gears when needed to really fuck you opponents up.

Statistics: Posted by SinkRox — Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:04 pm

]]> 2007-01-22T16:01:07-06:00 2007-01-22T16:01:07-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=22094&p=204389#p204389 <![CDATA[more on the 4-bet bluff. stop jamming it.]]> Statistics: Posted by High Wired — Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:01 pm

]]> 2007-01-22T14:57:46-06:00 2007-01-22T14:57:46-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=22094&p=204365#p204365 <![CDATA[more on the 4-bet bluff. stop jamming it.]]> Statistics: Posted by Stelvask — Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:57 pm

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