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I guess I'm giving too much credit though. You were the one playing the hand so you obviously know best what your folding equity was and whether 3betting this flop was +EV or not. It's very hard to say if it is or not in a vacuum, it's almost completely opponent dependent I think.
Statistics: Posted by GodlikeRoy — Fri Mar 16, 2007 10:23 am
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Hand 2 - I don't like this much without a good read. Would you 3bet this flop with 44? I think calling his flop raise and raising if he leads the turn is a better way to a) pick off a bluff and b) make him fold an overpair/top pair type hand. Not many people would 3bet this flop with a monster hand and he doesn't yet know you are smart enough to mix up your play, so he will likely put you on air and call with most hands. This is assuming he's a good player. He may even push over the top with AK.
Anyway I would prefer to call and re-evaluate on the turn.
Just a little off topic but going back on what I was saying before about 3betting the flop - there's a concept being thrown around on 2+2 a bit in the past couple of weeks called the Yeti Theorem, which states that a 3bet on a dry board is almost always a bluff. It applies even more if you're the preflop raiser but I think can be applied to other cases too.
Now, because this has become mainstream(ish) knowledge, many players may see your 3bet as air and be more likely to come over the top as a bluff. Depending on the levels the players are thinking on, he also may fold because he knows that you know of the theorem and believes that you want him to think you have air, but in actuality have a big hand. I doubt that he would have that kind of read on you though given you haven't played with him much before.
These types of things occur all the time (another example is overbet shoving the river being the nuts - now a lot of people are doing this as a bluff, and the mind games go on). Keeping an eye out on these sorts of things can help a huge deal in playing against good, thinking opponents who may be reading 2+2 forums.
Statistics: Posted by GodlikeRoy — Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:07 am
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Hand1.
UTG is marked as a fish. It means that I played with him previously and he did something stupid. Not much of a read as I just sat down. I have a full stack.
Preflop : UTG(800) raises to 12, MP(250) calls, CO(450) raises to 36, I have
![[As]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/As.gif "The Ace of Spades")
![[Kd]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Kd.gif "The King of Diamonds")
in the SB and call, MP calls, UTG calls.Flop (148):
![[Kh]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Kh.gif "The King of Hearts")
![[9h]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/9h.gif "The Nine of Hearts")
![[5h]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/5h.gif "The Five of Hearts")
I check, UTG bets 150, folded to me and I call.
Turn (540):
![[4c]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/4c.gif "The Four of Clubs")
I bet 400 (AI)?
What do you think about my line?
In the hindsight I thought that 4bet or fold preflop could be better than a call OOP in a multiway pot.
Hand2.
Another table, just a few orbits and no particular reads.
Full stacks/
Preflop: UTG limps, MP raises to 24, I call OTB with
![[9c]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/9c.gif "The Nine of Clubs")
, all others fold.Flop (60):
![[2c]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/2c.gif "The Two of Clubs")
![[4d]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/4d.gif "The Four of Diamonds")
![[Jh]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Jh.gif "The Jack of Hearts")
MP checks, I bet 44, MP CR to 120, I 3bet to 280.
I thought that there is some chance that he has something like AK here and tries to get fancy. There is also some chance that I can make him fold QQ, KK here, as the board is very dry and he seemed tight.
Thoughts?
All the input is much appreciated.
Statistics: Posted by Zmej — Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:42 am
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