Ia)
![[Jh]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Jh.gif "The Jack of Hearts")
, ![[Kh]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Kh.gif "The King of Hearts")
Ib)
![[Ah]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Ah.gif "The Ace of Hearts")
IIa)
![[Th]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Th.gif "The Ten of Hearts")
, , , IIb)
IIIa) 22, 33, 55, 99, QQ, Any heart
Hand 2)
a)
(30BBs) sometimes, (30BBs) sometimes, pure bluffs sometimesb)
onlyc)
, sometimesd)
, bluffs sometimesStatistics: Posted by GodlikeRoy — Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:15 pm
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Hand 1:
I a)
I b)
II a)
II b)
III a)
![[8h]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/8h.gif "The Eight of Hearts")
III b)
Hand 2:
a)
and above, betsize 2/3 - 3/4.b)
c)
![[7h]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/7h.gif "The Seven of Hearts")
or + maybe. d) I don't.
Statistics: Posted by Mr_Burnout — Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:39 am
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I will answer this being 6 max and it's my first hand at table.
1.a call
b. raise
2.a.
b.
3.a any
![[h]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/hearts.gif "Hearts")
, low as a str8b.
a any
b
c
depends on bet sized
Statistics: Posted by tommyhawk — Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:03 am
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only, so it seems that we can show profit by raising this lead with any 2. River CR is also a point of exploitation, but not so obvious as the betting range seems to be smaller.
P.S. I am interested in a perfect game theory solution, but I have no idea how to construct it. The best idea that I have is to try to look at the problem from different points of views and make a reasonable approximation of how to play against this player pool. (It is the 2nd iteration. First we ask for the ranges, then we adjust our range to their ranges, etc.)
Statistics: Posted by Zmej — Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:21 am
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1. Calling range:
+I raise the
only2. Bet any 2 that isn't likely to win a showdown if he doesn't have a heart. Value bet
+Call CR with
only3. Calling range any heart
Raise
+HAND 2.
1. Bet sometimes with hand that can't win showdown, value bet
and 2. Call raise with
3. Check-call with any heart I would reasonably hold here. (mostly
+)4. CR
if I CR at all on this board.Statistics: Posted by Triple B — Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:11 pm
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1a.
+1b.
and bluffs2a.
+2b. Only with the nuts, which makes a river C/R super sexy for villian here.
3 - Same as #1 really, I don't think bet sizing is super important in this hand.
Hand 2
a. Very wide. Anywhere from air to the nuts.
b. Only the nuts.
c. Good hearts, K or J, maybe T.
d. Probably only the nuts, b/c ppl hate river c/r's and usually pay off.
D
PS This is an interesting discussion and for me, the focus is the river C/R bluff. Against the right opponent who can fold, a river c/r bluff is awesome b/c (1) most ppl dont check behind on the turn with the nuts and (2) ppl will take a stab at the pot on the river with a wide range once checked to 3 times, and (3) most ppl will only CR with the
here, so they assume the same for their opponents.Good stuff.
Statistics: Posted by droqqa — Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:36 pm
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If your'e asking for perfect game theory, then that's one hell of a complex problem. I'm positive Aisthesis could work it out if he wanted to, but for most poker players including myself, something would get screwed up somewhere. Basically, the hand only plays itself with the
or total air in the first spot.Lee
Statistics: Posted by Schuster — Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:57 pm
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This is kind of pshychology survey, and I think that results would help a lot in understanding the average betting patterns. And the possibilities for exploitation.
Please spend a little time and answer the questions, I am interested in responses from all the players. After we get some data we could try to draw some conclusions, i.e. analysis of the optimal paly is welcome.
Suppose it is 200NL for both hands, ful stacks. No reads.
If your answer would be different for different stakes, please specify that.
Hand1.
Preflop: Hero on CO raises to 7, BB calls.
Flop(15):
![[2h]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/2h.gif "The Two of Hearts")
![[5h]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/5h.gif "The Five of Hearts")
![[9h]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/9h.gif "The Nine of Hearts")
BB checks, Hero bets 12, BB calls.
Turn(39):
![[Qh]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Qh.gif "The Queen of Hearts")
BB checks, CO checks
River(39)
![[3d]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/3d.gif "The Three of Diamonds")
I) BB bets 27
a) What is your calling range?
b) What is your raising range?
II) BB checks
a) What range do you bet here?
b) With what range do you call CR?
III) BB bets 13
a) What is your calling range?
b) What is your raising range?
After answering the questions for the first hand, please answer the questions for the second one, without modifying the answers for the first hand.
Hand2.
Preflop: CO raises to 7, Hero calls in BB.
Flop(15):
Hero checks, CO bets 12, Hero calls.
Turn(39):
Hero checks, CO checks
River(39)
Hero?
a) What range do you bet here? (What is the size of the bets?)
b) With what range would you call raise after betting?
c) What range do you check-call?
d) What range do you check-raise?
Statistics: Posted by Zmej — Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:28 am
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