He might be on made hand, draw or air.
He is going to be very hard to push off a draw or made hand and you won't necessarily know which. He has position on you.
Any bet will get him to fold air. But then again giving a free card to someone with air isn't really an issue.
If you really want to push him off non-air you will need either a big raise or a push (which is better on the flop as you have 2 cards to come).
BB is also still in on the flop and he called the PFR too.
It seems very unlikely that you are ahead here. You do however have a nice draw to the nuts. In real life I would bet out 2/3 pot like you.
On reflection though, I think that is a mistake and that I prefer a check - best case I flop my flush and someone else has a weaker flush and I stack them. If Mr. Passive bets then we see if BB is sandbagging and assuming that BB folds you can put Mr. P on a made hand > a draw. Whether you try to take him off it with a raise, call for the flush with implied odds or fold is then up to you but at least you have more info.
I just don't see the benefit of trying to bluff a CS OOP with a les than pot sized bet when you have a draw to the nuts - if you are going to bluff then I think it's better to be doing it strongly so you can get him to fold better hands.
I don't buy the betting for value argument - not on that flop with 2 callers of a PFR. You decide to blow them away on the flop repping a big set or at least AK or take a free/cheap look at the flush draw. I think getting stuck in the middle with consecutive 3/4 pot bets OOP vs a CS is the worst option.
I'm not sure that a blocking bet really achieves much but it might be worthwhile just in case they both somehow managed to miss or would call rather than raise a made hand.
I don't 2nd barrel a passive CS here on the turn - that's just looks like spewage to me - he has called 2 bets and the 8 is a blank unless he has Q9 or 88 - if he called pre-flop and on the flop, he is just calling again. If I can get a cheap/free turnj I take it instead.Statistics: Posted by excession — Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:27 pm
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