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This is a very common situation at the lower levels: someone flops and set and raises the minimum on the flop. That is a huge mistake because it gives draws tons of outs to catch up. Because you bet the flop, at this low level he will not put you on a drawing hand so even if your flush hits he will probably pay you off.
So on the flop you have two choices:
(1) You can risk your entire stack with a chance to take his entire stack if you hit (reraise + call push);
or
(2) You can risk 1/10 of your stack (95c) with a chance to take his entire stack if you hit (flat call).
I don't know, which do you think is the better play?
Statistics: Posted by k3nt — Thu Sep 06, 2007 8:07 am
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Second mistake was leading into several players with a weak flush draw on the flop, you limped in, so if they are paying attention they would realise likely have a weak ace at best.
Third is reraising after MP2 minraises you and there is a call afterwards, they made a mistake by not raising a real amount, so just call since you have been given the odds to chase your flush.
Fourth is the small raise you put over his minraise (at this point the hand got really really ugly), the entire point of playing a flush draw aggressively is fold equity. You hope to get your opponent to fold a decent % of the time, this makes up for the % of the time you get all in and miss your draw. In this case you have 0 fold equity against the minraiser, let alone the other opponent who is still in the hand.
Statistics: Posted by Semillon — Thu Sep 06, 2007 12:29 am
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I had the raiser on trips all of which my draw had beat + pot odds aginst to call I had no reason to re raise and when i do im now pot comitted i must have been tilting i have lost like 60$ the past 2 days 2/3 of my limited br.
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
8 players
Stack sizes:
UTG: $4.10
UTG+1: $11.55
Hero: $9.65
MP2: $17.65
CO: $3.95
Button: $39
SB: $18.55
BB: $3.95
Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is MP1 with
![[9c]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/9c.gif "The Nine of Clubs")
![[Tc]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Tc.gif "The Ten of Clubs")
2 folds, Hero calls $0.1 (pot was $0.15), MP2 calls $0.1 (pot was $0.25), CO (poster) checks, Button raises to $0.2, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.1 (pot was $0.55), MP2 calls $0.1 (pot was $0.65), CO calls $0.1 (pot was $0.75).
Flop:
![[Qh]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Qh.gif "The Queen of Hearts")
![[Ac]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Ac.gif "The Ace of Clubs")
![[3c]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/3c.gif "The Three of Clubs")
($0.95, 4 players)Hero bets $0.95, MP2 raises to $1.9, CO folds, Button calls $1.9 (pot was $3.8), Hero raises to $4.95, MP2 raises all-in $17.45, Button folds, Hero calls all-in $5.45.
Uncalled bets: $7.05 returned to MP2.
Clearly, this is where I go bad I have 9 outs for a flush draw
he has 7 outs when i put him on trips (6 to make full house and 1 for each posible trip to make 4 of a kind)
and 6 if he has 2 pair (4 per different 2 pair arrangement to make a full house and 2 to make 4of a kind per 2 pair arrangement)
I didn't realize he had this many outs during the hand but I know it devalues my hand.
As soon as he raises if either of us call he now has pot odds.
Turn:
![[Qs]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Qs.gif "The Queen of Spades")
($15.15, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $23.65)River:
![[6c]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/6c.gif "The Six of Clubs")
($15.15, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $23.65)Results:
Final pot: $15.15
Hero showed 9c Tc
MP2 showed 3s 3d
I think my only option after the raise is to push as i think that would atleast eliminate his pot odds to call but if he does call and the person after him calls then hes ok again.
catch .22?
Statistics: Posted by lokifnx — Thu Sep 06, 2007 12:08 am
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