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Live Poker Forum - Online Poker Forums & Hand Analysis Poker Forum 2007-10-23T11:19:24-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/feed.php?f=5&t=27954&mode 2007-10-23T11:19:24-06:00 2007-10-23T11:19:24-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=27954&p=274781#p274781 <![CDATA[Aggression (Sklansky and Online pro's)]]> Statistics: Posted by Cooper — Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:19 am


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2007-10-23T10:19:12-06:00 2007-10-23T10:19:12-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=27954&p=274775#p274775 <![CDATA[Aggression (Sklansky and Online pro's)]]>
vpip: 18
PFR: 13

Won when saw flop: 45%
Went to SD: 26%
Won at SD: 52%


I didn't really loosen up much, but I really looked for opportunities to be aggressive and after 1k hands my stats look like this:

vpip: 19
PFR: 16

Won when saw flop: 54%
Went to SD: 26%
Won at SD: 53%


Normally I will bet or raise after raising preflop about 65% of the time. Today, I was betting or raising ~80%.

Other than the slightly larger amount of preflop raises, and the significantly higher aggression on the flop, I think my biggest change was my 3-betting. I was 3-betting very light indeed, especially against loose raisers (>12% pfr) and CB-ing religiously in those circumstances if called (about 2/3 of pot).

I was surprised how often people would fold to my 3-bets actually. And when they didn't, they would more often than not fold to my CB. Before this I was wary of whether a liberal 3-bet strategy would really be profitable. If someone raises to $4 and I re-raise to $14 they will have to fold like 75% of the time for me to show an outright profit and that just seemed unlikely. In reality, I think the number was pretty close to that. AT least way above 50%. Of course, if they call you still have two ways to win the pot and with the amount of check/folding that went on post flop I can't really argue against 3-betting light being profitable.


Immediatly I can think of these pros and cons of playing like this:

Pros:
It's +EV if done correctly
It makes you more unpredictable and harder to play against
It forces you to improve your post flop game
It can put opponents on tilt (when you re-raise with A3s and flop two-pair against their AQ)

Cons:
It definetely increases variance
It gets you into harder situations and takes more effort to play correctly
There's a chance you will overvalue the tilt factor and make incorrect plays
It makes your opponents less predictable


The result after 1k hands was a $173 win for a ptbb/100 of 9 (which is around my usual). I did however make one huge mistake, where I raised a bunch of limpers with AQ and faced a re-raise. I misread the situation and thought he had limped behind other limpers, so I figured him for Axs or a mediup PP and pushed. But he was actually in the BB and had AA so... Without that hand my winrate would have been higher but I also managed a few suckouts so it evens out. Of course the sample size is way too small to draw any real conclusions but it was an interesting session.

Statistics: Posted by Stoneburg — Tue Oct 23, 2007 10:19 am


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2007-10-23T09:01:26-06:00 2007-10-23T09:01:26-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=27954&p=274769#p274769 <![CDATA[Aggression (Sklansky and Online pro's)]]> Statistics: Posted by Notorious_JC — Tue Oct 23, 2007 9:01 am


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2007-10-23T03:23:22-06:00 2007-10-23T03:23:22-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=27954&p=274736#p274736 <![CDATA[Aggression (Sklansky and Online pro's)]]> Statistics: Posted by Aisthesis — Tue Oct 23, 2007 3:23 am


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2007-10-23T03:10:21-06:00 2007-10-23T03:10:21-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=27954&p=274734#p274734 <![CDATA[Aggression (Sklansky and Online pro's)]]> Statistics: Posted by Aisthesis — Tue Oct 23, 2007 3:10 am


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2007-10-23T00:13:57-06:00 2007-10-23T00:13:57-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=27954&p=274725#p274725 <![CDATA[Aggression (Sklansky and Online pro's)]]> Statistics: Posted by black_knight6 — Tue Oct 23, 2007 12:13 am


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2007-10-22T23:02:54-06:00 2007-10-22T23:02:54-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=27954&p=274715#p274715 <![CDATA[Aggression (Sklansky and Online pro's)]]> Statistics: Posted by Notorious_JC — Mon Oct 22, 2007 11:02 pm


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2007-10-22T22:52:16-06:00 2007-10-22T22:52:16-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=27954&p=274710#p274710 <![CDATA[Aggression (Sklansky and Online pro's)]]> Statistics: Posted by Xaston — Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:52 pm


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2007-10-22T22:47:39-06:00 2007-10-22T22:47:39-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=27954&p=274709#p274709 <![CDATA[Aggression (Sklansky and Online pro's)]]> Statistics: Posted by black_knight6 — Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:47 pm


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2007-10-22T15:25:02-06:00 2007-10-22T15:25:02-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=27954&p=274638#p274638 <![CDATA[Aggression (Sklansky and Online pro's)]]> Statistics: Posted by excession — Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:25 pm


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2007-10-22T14:05:05-06:00 2007-10-22T14:05:05-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=27954&p=274624#p274624 <![CDATA[Aggression (Sklansky and Online pro's)]]>
Even in the stipulated context, I still prefer raising preflop to limping. Mostly because I don't think your trade-off works. That is, the preflop limper may think he's grabbing a small chance to win a big pot instead of a big chance to win a small pot ---> but I'm not sure that is true. He may be grabbing a small chance to win a small pot instead of a big chance to win a small pot plus a small chance to win a big pot.

Give me 76s or 97o OTB ... I think my chances of winning a big pot AND of winning a small pot are greater if I raise it preflop. I think this is true especially in the stipulated context (in a vacuum etc.): in a vacuum, most opponents (not most good opponents perhaps, but most opponents in the overall world of poker), after they limp preflop out of position, will give you credit for a big pair or AK/AQ preflop the first time you raise preflop, especially full-ring ... so they'll likely play set-or-forget with their small to medium pairs against you, which pretty much maximizes your winnings (you get to take down 8/9 pots on flop, the other 1/9 if they slowplay you which many opponents do, you get to see all 7 cards with the chance to stack them if you catch a straight.)

Statistics: Posted by k3nt — Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:05 pm


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2007-10-22T13:03:08-06:00 2007-10-22T13:03:08-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=27954&p=274615#p274615 <![CDATA[Aggression (Sklansky and Online pro's)]]> Statistics: Posted by Notorious_JC — Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:03 pm


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2007-10-22T12:39:19-06:00 2007-10-22T12:39:19-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=27954&p=274611#p274611 <![CDATA[Aggression (Sklansky and Online pro's)]]>
The assumption that one strategy deals with 6-max and the other with 8-9 players is correct, but I don't think the difference is that big. You can just use Sklanskys strategy from MP to blinds and cut out the EP part.

Even if it could be "boiled down" to those two assumptions, which I don't think it can, that's not the point. In fact, ignore whos strategies those are and work from the assumption that they are from person X and person Y and both talk about 6-max online play.

Now, using the X and Y strategy which is talking about 6-max online play as a backdrop for discussion, what is the role of aggression in online shorthanded games? What are the drawbacks and strengths in the asserted context (vacuum, level 2 thinking, no meta-game or table image)?

Statistics: Posted by Stoneburg — Mon Oct 22, 2007 12:39 pm


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2007-10-22T12:22:49-06:00 2007-10-22T12:22:49-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=27954&p=274597#p274597 <![CDATA[Aggression (Sklansky and Online pro's)]]> Statistics: Posted by Triple B — Mon Oct 22, 2007 12:22 pm


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2007-10-22T11:42:59-06:00 2007-10-22T11:42:59-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=27954&p=274585#p274585 <![CDATA[Aggression (Sklansky and Online pro's)]]> Statistics: Posted by k3nt — Mon Oct 22, 2007 11:42 am


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