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$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
8 players
Converted at
Stacks:
UTG ($34.55)
UTG+1 ($56.95)
Hero ($66.55)
MP2 ($48.20)
CO ($20.35)
BTN ($28.70)
SB ($57.15)
BB ($85.00)
Pre-flop: ($0.75, 8 players) Hero is MP1
![[Tc]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Tc.gif "The Ten of Clubs")
[Jc]1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.5 ($56.45), Hero calls $0.5 ($66.05), MP2 calls $0.5 ($47.70), 2 folds, SB raises to $2.5 ($54.40), 1 fold, UTG+1 folds ($56.45), Hero calls $2 ($64.05), MP2 calls $2 ($45.70)
Flop:
![[3c]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/3c.gif "The Three of Clubs")
[5c][8d] ($8.5, 3 players)SB bets $8 ($46.65), Hero calls $8 ($56.05), 1 fold
Turn:
![[Th]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Th.gif "The Ten of Hearts")
($24.5, 2 players)SB bets $18 ($28.65)
Now, if I missed the turn, I fold obviously because he bet enough that I'm not getting enough implied odds to chase the river, BUT the beautiful thing is that he's probably not thinking I have 14 outs and should think that he could correctly pay off my flush which is a mistake if he knew how many outs I had, correct?
Statistics: Posted by MTPaid — Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:44 pm
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I didn't mean I could get the CO to fold with a push, but would it be in my best interest to try to push the Button out who may have a better flush draw. Seems like a possible likely hand the way he's played it so far. That would give me 12 outs (if he had the flush draw) vs CO or maybe even 10 if CO has QT.
What I meant was, is there enough money in the pot to justify a push if it gets a bigger flush draw out? Like I said though, I'm pretty sure CO will pay off anyway if the flush hits, but that doesn't mean much if Button has a bigger flush.
Also, if the T doesn't hit the turn, I'm more likely to just fold with the possibility flush may not be best.
Statistics: Posted by MTPaid — Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:53 pm
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I call this kind of hand a "bleeder." It's the kind of hand where you just bleed and bleed away chips here and there. I hate them.
The problem is I don't see how you can force everyone off the pot because its too big and there are too many people (i.e., no FE).
So I call with odds and fold without and usually grumble when I miss.
Statistics: Posted by T-Rod — Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:12 am
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That said, I'm not folding this so I guess I'm a fish too. I don't think you have any FE against such a donkey CO, but you have to think that any T, 8, or diamond will most of the time give you the best hand.
Statistics: Posted by k3nt — Fri Nov 16, 2007 9:56 am
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CO (48/10/1.2 - 39% WTSD) is a super-fish. In a previous hand I limped early with 88, he limped SB. Flop came 2J6 rainbow. I bet pot and he was only caller. Turn was T. He won the pot with T8o. I have no doubt he's paying me if I hit the flush and he could be betting with TP any kicker.
The Button I have no read on.
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
7 players
Converted at
Stacks:
UTG ($71.75)
UTG+1 ($47.25)
MP ($49.30)
CO ($43.95)
BTN ($48.50)
SB ($49.50)
Hero ($51.00)
Pre-flop: ($0.75, 7 players) Hero is BB
![[Td]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Td.gif "The Ten of Diamonds")
[8d]UTG raises to $2 ($69.75), 2 folds, CO calls $2 ($41.95), BTN calls $2 ($46.50), SB calls $1.75 ($47.50), Hero calls $1.5 ($49.00)
Flop:
![[7d]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/7d.gif "The Seven of Diamonds")
[5h][Qd] ($10, 5 players)SB checks ($47.50), Hero checks ($49.00), UTG checks ($69.75), CO bets $4 ($37.95), BTN calls $4 ($42.50), SB folds ($47.50), Hero calls $4 ($45.00), UTG folds ($69.75)
Turn:
($22, 3 players)Hero checks ($45.00), CO bets $12 ($25.95), BTN calls $12 ($30.50)
So I'm getting about 4-1 to call with a pair + FD, BUT I don't know if OTB is calling with a bigger flush. Like I said though, CO will probably pay off with his stack if I hit. Is it worth it here? Should I even consider an attempt to push the Button out of the hand now?
Statistics: Posted by MTPaid — Thu Nov 15, 2007 7:41 pm
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