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Live Poker Forum - Online Poker Forums & Hand Analysis Poker Forum 2008-03-12T14:47:31-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/feed.php?f=5&t=30247&mode 2008-03-12T14:47:31-06:00 2008-03-12T14:47:31-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=30247&p=308929#p308929 <![CDATA[Questions marks...]]>
First, the check-call is only a good play imo on JJ (since that eliminates so many of the stronger hands), but that's not his range. In actuality, it means that he thinks I'm betting this board too often.

But, if I'm only VBing 99+, then it looks like this: Say I bet 7 into a pot of 10. He's calling 7 to win 17, so he needs to be ahead on the turn a bit less than 1/3 of the time. The draws are clearly bad calls given the range.

He actually should be calling with somewhat more than top 60 out of that range. Top 66 is AT or better.

And now one should only be betting the turn with trips or a hand that beats trips.

So, the point is: Most opponents are likely to overplay their hands on this board.

In general, roughly optimal play (on any board) from a game-theory standpoint should be roughly to bet top 1/3 (this may be higher, I'd have to figure that out, and depends also on bet sizes) and bluff 1/6. However, if for reasons of reads or board-texture we get sub-optimal calls or bets, then this can change to betting ONLY top 1/3 or to bluffing everything (in addition to betting top 1/3).

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2008-03-12T12:21:41-06:00 2008-03-12T12:21:41-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=30247&p=308869#p308869 <![CDATA[Questions marks...]]> Statistics: Posted by shamdonk — Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:21 pm


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2008-03-12T07:03:14-06:00 2008-03-12T07:03:14-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=30247&p=308794#p308794 <![CDATA[Questions marks...]]> Statistics: Posted by Aisthesis — Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:03 am


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2008-03-12T05:24:00-06:00 2008-03-12T05:24:00-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=30247&p=308783#p308783 <![CDATA[Questions marks...]]> Statistics: Posted by Aisthesis — Wed Mar 12, 2008 5:24 am


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I'm going to attempt a rather exhaustive analysis tomorrow. Too tired for that right now, though.

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So something like JJT again nails those types of hands... Now also consider out image as well, if we're doing nothing but showing down similar type hands (big A type or big K etc) we'll likely get credit for having a monster. Believe it or not and I've only been experimenting with this recently, I've been doing some delayed Cbetting on some scary looking flops with some success... Now it could just be that they have absolutely nothing as well but so far it seems to be going fairly well.

Flops like that can often fall into the "it depends" category, both on the player and how we might be viewed... Some times you can get away with things having a nittier image that you can't do if you look like you're LAGging it up.

As far as the other guy being a fish that's fine but even they pick up hands once in a while... Either way though I'm not sure if you are really maximizing much more there, if he's on complete air he'll fold the river to a bet anyway. If he will call down with anything you probably maximized by raising because if he had anything callable he would've called the with a 5 or anything remotely callable if he's that bad. Maybe just on a stone cold bluff?

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2008-03-11T11:57:06-06:00 2008-03-11T11:57:06-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=30247&p=308271#p308271 <![CDATA[Questions marks...]]> Statistics: Posted by Aisthesis — Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:57 am


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2008-03-11T11:52:54-06:00 2008-03-11T11:52:54-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=30247&p=308267#p308267 <![CDATA[Questions marks...]]> Statistics: Posted by Aisthesis — Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:52 am


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2008-03-11T11:33:07-06:00 2008-03-11T11:33:07-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=30247&p=308252#p308252 <![CDATA[Questions marks...]]> Statistics: Posted by Pok 7's — Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:33 am


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2008-03-11T11:29:34-06:00 2008-03-11T11:29:34-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=30247&p=308250#p308250 <![CDATA[Questions marks...]]> Statistics: Posted by MVPSPORTS — Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:29 am


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2008-03-11T10:51:49-06:00 2008-03-11T10:51:49-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=30247&p=308230#p308230 <![CDATA[Questions marks...]]> Statistics: Posted by Aisthesis — Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:51 am


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