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Live Poker Forum - Online Poker Forums & Hand Analysis Poker Forum 2008-03-26T23:05:10-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/feed.php?f=5&t=30484&mode 2008-03-26T23:05:10-06:00 2008-03-26T23:05:10-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=30484&p=313193#p313193 <![CDATA[Attacking from SB]]> Statistics: Posted by Aisthesis — Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:05 pm


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2008-03-26T12:39:59-06:00 2008-03-26T12:39:59-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=30484&p=313007#p313007 <![CDATA[Attacking from SB]]>
I don't see why it should be that hard to fight back against players who will chronically raise a limp.

Statistics: Posted by Aisthesis — Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:39 pm


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2008-03-26T04:05:43-06:00 2008-03-26T04:05:43-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=30484&p=312895#p312895 <![CDATA[Attacking from SB]]> Statistics: Posted by iwanturcoin — Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:05 am


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2008-03-25T21:06:26-06:00 2008-03-25T21:06:26-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=30484&p=312812#p312812 <![CDATA[Attacking from SB]]> Statistics: Posted by chuckwhoolery — Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:06 pm


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2008-03-25T20:37:30-06:00 2008-03-25T20:37:30-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=30484&p=312802#p312802 <![CDATA[Attacking from SB]]>
Thinking about this, their has to be a dominant strategy for every position and if opponent differs from that we'll make money from a Sklansky POV

Statistics: Posted by WayToGo — Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:37 pm


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2008-03-25T20:36:12-06:00 2008-03-25T20:36:12-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=30484&p=312801#p312801 <![CDATA[Attacking from SB]]>
Made my day..

Statistics: Posted by WayToGo — Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:36 pm


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2008-03-25T18:53:27-06:00 2008-03-25T18:53:27-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=30484&p=312776#p312776 <![CDATA[Attacking from SB]]>
If you're raising top 2/3 and getting called too often. Then it's tempting to tighten your raising range from SB. What I'm saying is that that's not the best way to adjust but instead to adopt a limp strategy that no realistic opponent is ever going to grasp for a VERY long time just by playing with you. I mean, it's hard to grasp (or even remember) when it's laid out explicitly.

I don't know just how much EV is getting lost if you simply fold some portion of top 2/3, but I'm convinced that it's definitely some. And the best strategy I can come up with as counter isn't to start folding hands that are worth something but rather to enter what I'll call the "complex limping strategy."

Statistics: Posted by Aisthesis — Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:53 pm


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2008-03-25T18:45:45-06:00 2008-03-25T18:45:45-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=30484&p=312775#p312775 <![CDATA[Attacking from SB]]>
Here's basically my plan for SB with full stacks (here, too, I'd be interested in pursuing some of excession's short-stack thoughts further, but first full stacks). The assumption is also that everyone has folded to you in SB.

Starting (without reads yet): Raise any top 2/3 hand. If you get a call or re-raise, then play accordingly and now you have the hypothesis that we're getting too many calls. If fold, keep going with this (raising 2/3 and never limping) as long as it's working. "Working" is defined as "BB folds >2/3 of the time."

If BB is calling more than 1/3, then we try another strategy: The complex limp strategy, and that was my main reason for looking into these games--namely figuring out how properly to play limps from SB. And I'll take a stab at it not with [0,1] game but with poker hands.

Value limp re-raise: TT+ and AQ+ (4.7%). But also raise these 1/4 of the time, limping 3/4.

Bluff limp re-raise: 54s-JTs, 53s-J9s, 22-33 (5.1%). I'm actually suggesting this more often than prescribed because for one thing, these hands do well against monsters (in contrast to [0,1] game) and for another, I don't think many people make this play, particularly at lower levels, so your fold equity is probably higher than one might expect. Here, too, we limp 3/4 and raise 1/4.

Value raise: 44-99, AT-AJ, KT-KQ, QT-QJ,JTo, A2s-A9s (14.8%). We raise these 3/4 and limp 1/4. If limped, these are all limp-calls.

Random raise or limp: All other top 2/3 hands. On these, we're raising half the time and limping half the time, and they're all limp-folds.

I think this is a good strategy for beating excessive raising to limps.

There are 2 mistakes your opponent can now make to adjust to this strategy: 1) Backing down too much with raises (<25%), or 2) Folding too often to raises.

In case 1), our adjustment is to go to simply raising top 1/3, limping middle 1/3, and folding bottom 1/3. Villain is no longer sufficiently attacking our limps.

In case 2), we revert back to simply raising all top 2/3 hands.

Statistics: Posted by Aisthesis — Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:45 pm


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2008-03-25T16:29:43-06:00 2008-03-25T16:29:43-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=30484&p=312745#p312745 <![CDATA[Attacking from SB]]> Statistics: Posted by chuckwhoolery — Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:29 pm


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2008-03-25T11:00:33-06:00 2008-03-25T11:00:33-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=30484&p=312660#p312660 <![CDATA[Attacking from SB]]>
1) It's a mistake against any player to give up on any top 2/3 hand. Against a player who actively defends his BB, I think a lot of people do give up on too many of these.

2) If you're raising a top 43% and a shorty shoves even 1/4 of the time, you should always call. I also really liked excession's step from [0,1] game to real poker by factoring in subsequent developments.

3) You really should be re-raising (for value) 99+, AJ+ and KQ from BB against almost any SB raise.

4) It's not a sin to limp in SB.

4) is really the whole reason why I went through all of these calculations. If you're going to limp sometimes and raise sometimes, you've got to have some mix of very strong hands in there on the limp. And you have to have some idea of when you want to limp-call, limp-fold, and limp re-raise. It's really the ability to limp in SB that imo requires a more complex strategy.

Statistics: Posted by Aisthesis — Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:00 am


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2008-03-25T06:20:38-06:00 2008-03-25T06:20:38-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=30484&p=312607#p312607 <![CDATA[Attacking from SB]]> Statistics: Posted by iwanturcoin — Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:20 am


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2008-03-25T06:15:55-06:00 2008-03-25T06:15:55-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=30484&p=312606#p312606 <![CDATA[Attacking from SB]]> Statistics: Posted by iwanturcoin — Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:15 am


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2008-03-25T01:59:16-06:00 2008-03-25T01:59:16-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=30484&p=312597#p312597 <![CDATA[Attacking from SB]]> Statistics: Posted by dropthe72 — Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:59 am


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2008-03-25T01:58:45-06:00 2008-03-25T01:58:45-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=30484&p=312596#p312596 <![CDATA[Attacking from SB]]>
but you know, meester ferguson has a different approach, heavily analytical, running models very similar to ais's and he's quite a player. i guess what i'm trying to say is that you guys are talking to each other in different languages about the same fricking shit.

Statistics: Posted by dropthe72 — Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:58 am


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2008-03-25T00:33:25-06:00 2008-03-25T00:33:25-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=30484&p=312582#p312582 <![CDATA[Attacking from SB]]> Statistics: Posted by black_knight6 — Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:33 am


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