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Live Poker Forum - Online Poker Forums & Hand Analysis Poker Forum 2008-05-26T00:42:43-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/feed.php?f=5&t=31163&mode 2008-05-26T00:42:43-06:00 2008-05-26T00:42:43-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=31163&p=326650#p326650 <![CDATA[Double barrel in a 3-bet pot]]> Statistics: Posted by corporatex — Mon May 26, 2008 12:42 am


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2008-05-25T20:29:09-06:00 2008-05-25T20:29:09-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=31163&p=326641#p326641 <![CDATA[Double barrel in a 3-bet pot]]> Statistics: Posted by johnnie_naked — Sun May 25, 2008 8:29 pm


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2008-05-25T05:36:20-06:00 2008-05-25T05:36:20-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=31163&p=326609#p326609 <![CDATA[Double barrel in a 3-bet pot]]> Statistics: Posted by gsdavid — Sun May 25, 2008 5:36 am


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2008-05-24T19:04:19-06:00 2008-05-24T19:04:19-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=31163&p=326588#p326588 <![CDATA[Double barrel in a 3-bet pot]]> Statistics: Posted by DoctorHandles — Sat May 24, 2008 7:04 pm


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2008-05-24T11:25:32-06:00 2008-05-24T11:25:32-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=31163&p=326567#p326567 <![CDATA[Double barrel in a 3-bet pot]]> Statistics: Posted by gsdavid — Sat May 24, 2008 11:25 am


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2008-05-24T10:40:15-06:00 2008-05-24T10:40:15-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=31163&p=326565#p326565 <![CDATA[Double barrel in a 3-bet pot]]> Statistics: Posted by gsdavid — Sat May 24, 2008 10:40 am


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2008-05-24T10:14:25-06:00 2008-05-24T10:14:25-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=31163&p=326560#p326560 <![CDATA[Double barrel in a 3-bet pot]]> Statistics: Posted by johnnie_naked — Sat May 24, 2008 10:14 am


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2008-05-24T07:50:54-06:00 2008-05-24T07:50:54-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=31163&p=326546#p326546 <![CDATA[Double barrel in a 3-bet pot]]> Statistics: Posted by gsdavid — Sat May 24, 2008 7:50 am


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2008-05-24T04:17:10-06:00 2008-05-24T04:17:10-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=31163&p=326539#p326539 <![CDATA[Double barrel in a 3-bet pot]]> Statistics: Posted by DoctorHandles — Sat May 24, 2008 4:17 am


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2008-05-24T04:09:37-06:00 2008-05-24T04:09:37-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=31163&p=326538#p326538 <![CDATA[Double barrel in a 3-bet pot]]>

I'm currently playing 50 and moving up to 100 very soon and I just think we can find better spots to bluff. If it's that close, why even bother? Just find a better spot. Villain is somewhat nitty and imo we're very rarely getting better hands to fold. Doubt he's calling the flop with a gutter and if you think he has QQ or JJ often enough then I guess its a 2 barrel. What do you do on the river?

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2008-05-24T03:29:11-06:00 2008-05-24T03:29:11-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=31163&p=326537#p326537 <![CDATA[Double barrel in a 3-bet pot]]>
David makes his points extremely clear. I really don't understand how so some micro stake players can talk so definitively with all their statements, especially when talking to players who play 10-20 (40?) times their buy in.

1) He wouldn't be calling the flop with 77, but t's not unreasonable for him to have a T or a hand like AJ/QQ/JJ. David actually tried to do some math to see how often we need to get him to fold, and it's close.

2) How can he have a busted draw on the river? It'd be a trivial easy shove with JQ on the flop and why would he call with a draw on the turn? No draw even came on the turn, not even a flush draw for a hand that floated. And to boot, you say we need to three barrel sometimes to get him to fold his draws, but our hand beats any draw! So basically you advise three barreling sometimes only to blast him off the hands we already beat and stack off to the rest. Three barreling here is horrible.

3) We have the best possible hand to double barrel with, so we should be double barreling this board never then. This probably isn't a big issue to you as you're probably not at the stage where you try to balance your value bets with bluffs or anything, but from a mathematical perspective this is horrible.

I know it seems like I'm coming down hard on you Johnny, but it's just annoying when people throw the word "spew" around when we're looking at differently lines and they don't really have any idea what they're talking about. It really hurts the discussion.

Statistics: Posted by DoctorHandles — Sat May 24, 2008 3:29 am


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2008-05-24T02:46:23-06:00 2008-05-24T02:46:23-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=31163&p=326534#p326534 <![CDATA[Double barrel in a 3-bet pot]]> Statistics: Posted by johnnie_naked — Sat May 24, 2008 2:46 am


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2008-05-23T21:38:13-06:00 2008-05-23T21:38:13-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=31163&p=326523#p326523 <![CDATA[Double barrel in a 3-bet pot]]> Pls fold JJ all day long to me on that flop

edit: point being..think of his range and how far ahead JJ really is. Dependent on aggressiveness and quality of opponent, folding JJ on that flop could actually be a leak especially given the decent odds on flop.

Statistics: Posted by gsdavid — Fri May 23, 2008 9:38 pm


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2008-05-23T18:37:05-06:00 2008-05-23T18:37:05-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=31163&p=326516#p326516 <![CDATA[Double barrel in a 3-bet pot]]> Statistics: Posted by johnnie_naked — Fri May 23, 2008 6:37 pm


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2008-05-21T09:05:34-06:00 2008-05-21T09:05:34-06:00 https://livepokerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=31163&p=326346#p326346 <![CDATA[Double barrel in a 3-bet pot]]>
I mean, yeah you need a fold here about 20% of time with that bet size and that draw to be break even. I just doubt that there are many hands that are calling this flop and folding to turn bet. If his entire range is KK+,TT,33,AQs,KQs,QTs+,JTs,T8s+ , JJ, QQ
He has 9 set combos, 3 KQ combos that are never folding.
If we assume he floated SCs, then there are 2 QTs, 3 JTs, 3 T9s, 3 T8s combos + 2AQs, 6 JJ 6 QQ that he could be potentially be floating us with.

So there are 12 combos that will not fold but most likely will not shove turn for most part.
If he is floating JJ and QQ on that board(and he should if he elects to float Tx) then there are about 25 combos that could potentially fold turn.
So yeah given math this seems a good double barrel spot due to Tx giving you a good number of SC's that could float.
Still, this is not a flop that I would double barrel often since we dont know his range nor how if he floats or not.

Statistics: Posted by gsdavid — Wed May 21, 2008 9:05 am


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